what will be our living conditions, if... (->300 years)

Hevene... what's your point? So we suffer, big deal, we've suffered before. The Aztecs (among others) were destroyed by smallpox. The Black Death killed 25 million people in Europe at a time when its total population was only 75 million.

Even in recent memory disasters of one kind and another have killed people by the millions. We're still here, we get smarter sometimes, and the price we pay in blood has never been more than we could afford.

The doomsday scenario you describe may kill millions of us again, but - although that would suck on an individual basis - humanity as a whole will survive, maybe only in certain parts of the world, but we'll still be here. So... why does it matter?

 

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If survival is the only thing you want, that's perfectly fine. But life is more than just surviving.
And it doesn't matter, nothing matters. Life will continue, but is that the best we can do?

 

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I think in a couple thousand years the human race will be evolutionised and fatser smarter and ect. you guys get the picture

 

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That is if we haven't destroyed our selves completelt before that.

 

Our current actions are leading to ecological breakdown and a threat to supply of raw materials, if raw material supply is jeopardised globally, then the dominant economic model will collapse, this is currently Capitalism....cap needs both a ready supply of raw materials and "psychological" support.

I define the values that support Capitalism as "man as self-interested and entitled to consumer sovereignty".
I repeated this to a Professor of Statistics at Griffith Uni Mt Gravatt, Brisbane, and he said "that's what the heads of every economics department in the world believes".....so, IOW, our leaders will continue to plan and support this model, as it's elite will advise them to, our politicians listen to optimistic economists ahead of realistic ecologists.

Our fundamental problem as I understand it is that Capitalism MUST have growth, now if that basic demand is proving unworkable, we have to replace the underlying values that support capitalism.

So rather than entiled to consumer sovereignty, 1...entitled only to products that can be produced either locally or globally that don't conflict with the objectively set parameters of the eco-footprint.
2...Care for ALL members of society regardless of age or soci-economic status, so that rather than needing 2-4 million in retirement funds, you just need to be a upstanding citizen and society will look after you.

I hold the view that enough evidence exists for civilized countries to begin to phase in sustainable practices in preparation of necessary changes based on upcoming shortages.

Don't have a link for this handy, but I read that China and India will have 4 billion by 2030 and will emit 4 times as much pollution as the US currently does.

 

Please, so me some facts to back this up. Eventually we will use all the resources everywhere, no matter the speed at which we use them. There is no reason to think that this raw material shortage is soon, and that it is unavoidable. There are vast untapped portions of our planet, and if need be, other planets.

 

I personally think humans will not live anyother 500 years, or at least 99% will die.

 

Scientist Statement
World Scientists' Warning to Humanity (1992)

Some 1,700 of the world's leading scientists, including the majority of Nobel laureates in the sciences, issued this appeal in November 1992. The World Scientists' Warning to Humanity was written and spearheaded by the late Henry Kendall, former chair of UCS's board of directors.

INTRODUCTION

Human beings and the natural world are on a collision course. Human activities inflict harsh and often irreversible damage on the environment and on critical resources. If not checked, many of our current practices put at serious risk the future that we wish for human society and the plant and animal kingdoms, and may so alter the living world that it will be unable to sustain life in the manner that we know. Fundamental changes are urgent if we are to avoid the collision our present course will bring about.

The Warning to Humanity Statement

There's also the GEO-3 report of 2002+ among others, one of Australia's leading ecologists{Barney Foran CSIRO} warned Australia last yr.

Btw, the appeal to other planets ignores the speed at which we'll devour it and the degradation of our own planet for it to be commercially viable.

Ours models are FUCKED, we need to do something along the lines of what I stated, which would include severe restrictions on birthrates of necessity.

 

as far as other planets go theres very little in the way of energy sources on them, fossil fuels dont exist on any planets that have never sustained life and probably the only viable energy source on other planets is the sun, the same as our own planet. unless in the next 300 years we are able to travel to a different solar system with a planet similar to our own we have to work with what we already have, personally i think the next 300 years for humanity will be a struggle unless we start changing certain aspects of how we live, eg: recycling, clean energy sources, pollution and we need to let science do its job and stop protesting against things deemed cruel because they are the key to progress, i dont enjoy the thought of cruelty to lab rats but without them we wont progress and humanity will die, simple

 

you are wrong
what about thermal power stations (gas, hot lava, geisers etc)
tidal gravitational force could be used on the moons of Jupiterand maybe there's solid hydrogen

 

It will be different than today.

 

solid hydrogens only a maybe and as far all the other things we need to develope technology for them to be viable alternatives, and how long do you think it will take before humans land on the moons of jupiter, let alone develope it? we arnt even sure at the moment about building on the moon or mars in the next 50 years, we dont even know how we will do that yet, i admire your optimism about jupiters moons though