Why Americans are utter morons

Exactly as I see it. Haven't you noticed the growing number of suicide bomber incidents in Iraq in very recent times ??!!

REMeber those SAT analogies??

Israel occupies Palestine: Palestininan suicide bombers::America occupies Iraq: Iraqi suicide bombers !! amazing

Maybe right now you don't see the resemblance because the occupation has just begun, but give it a few more months (and you know the US troops aren't leaving Iraq any time soon) and a few more bombers and you'll get it. So exactly what is America's purpose in staying in Iraq any longer? They've humiliated the evil leader already. If the US went for Iraqi oil the entire world would attack. And why does America always think its her God-given duty to rebuild other nations in her image? What if, just maybe, Iraq wanted to remain as Iraq?? :bugeye:

 

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The purpose of invading Iraq wasn't to humiliate anyone, or remake Iraq in our image. Their leader was supporting terrorism, at the very least, by his payment to the families of palestinian suiciders. It is a small step from that to the kind of terrorism practiced by Osama. How moronic do you have to be not to see the connection. Only the extreme action of invading Iraq could have any effect whatsoever. Of course, there is no guarantee of safety anywhere, anytime, but in this case, there was an extremely obvious threat which had to be dealt with. There are many intelligent people who supported this action.

Um, it was the Iraqis that looted themselves.

The US interest would not be served by leaving now. Widespread guerilla war would break out between all the factions that want power. It will not be a victory until Iraq has a government elected by the people of Iraq, something that western countries take for granted, and the Iraqi people have not had for 30 years.

 

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Yes I KNOW THAT. Now that the US has him, the troops can leave Iraq before it turns into another occupation crisis like in Israel.

 

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I am so sick of the "occupation" idiocy. Working to build Iraqi infrastructure, services, get the oil flowing again, debt forgiveness, etc. all to occupy. Pull your head out. This is getting old.

 

I am so sick of the "occupation" idiocy. Working to build Iraqi infrastructure, services, get the oil flowing again, debt forgiveness, etc. all to occupy. Pull your head out. This is getting old.

So invading a nation for a PNAC doctrine, who are living under foreign military rule, with no self-governance, and terrorism is not occupation? You are a idiot, occupation has nothing to do with what your doing in the country. Your foreign, not welcomed, and raping the nation of it's oil.

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Sure, if India invaded Iraq, Pakistan would vaporize India, then India would vaporize Pakistan.

So, its better when Saddam raped his own nation of oil profits so he could build more palaces?

 

I'm willing to admit that. In fact, the ability of this adminisration to build a government in Iraq is my main objection to the war, otherwise, it was entirely justified.

 

So, its better when Saddam raped his own nation of oil profits so he could build more palaces?

Prior to the sanctions,prior to the Gulf War. Iraq even under Saddam was one of the best places to live in all of the Middle East. The invasion of a state for NO justifiable reason is beyond comprehension, and it's real rich coming from a American who had three before used Saddam.

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So let me ask, is it better that the US and friends propped this man up during the worst years of his regime in the 80's?

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[size=-1]Originally posted by spidergoat
The purpose of invading Iraq wasn't to humiliate anyone, or remake Iraq in our image. Their leader was supporting terrorism, at the very least, by his payment to the families of palestinian suiciders.[/size]

Let's follow the yellow brick road to Palestine - Why is there support for Palestine?
Do you realize how pathetic it sounds when you shift your reasoning for going into Iraq?

1. Weapons of Mass Deception in Iraq
2. Humanitarian "aid" to the Iraqi
3. Now you bring in the Palestine-Iraq connection
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   On the latter issue, I would agree with Saddam. The United States is funding Israel to occupy and bulldoze palestinian homes, so why not have someone bear the burden of the Palestinian people.
   
   [size=-1] It is a small step from that to the kind of terrorism practiced by Osama. [/size]
   
   That's why we are making sure he is put to justice. Oh wait.
   
   [size=-1]Only the extreme action of invading Iraq could have any effect whatsoever.[/size]
   
   Please tell us what your reasoning is for this. How is this in any way safeguarding me and my faimly here in the Mid-West. Further, who's filling in the vaccume of power in Iraq? That's right neo-conny: terrorists. Self-defeating effort this invasion has been.
   
   [size=-1]Of course, there is no guarantee of safety anywhere, anytime, but in this case, there was an extremely obvious threat which had to be dealt with.[/size]
   
   What was that?
   
   [size=-1]There are many intelligent people who supported this action. [/size]
   
   I guess if these so called smart people jumped off a cliff tomorrow we all should do the same.

 

Originally posted by spidergoat
So, its better when Saddam raped his own nation of oil profits so he could build more palaces?


Suggestion: rather than decide what the Iraqi want, let's listen

 

Unless you happened to be one of the people Saddam sent through a plastic shredding machine, or on the Iraqi National Olympic Team, or stuck in the dungeon of an Iraqi police station, or wanted to exercise free-speech.

..and Hitler made the trains run on time, big deal.

I'm not a neo-conservative, I'm a liberal democrat who happens to agree with the war. I'm not pro-Bush, but he was bull-headed enough to do the right thing here, and you have to admire that. 9/11 should have proven to you that terror can happen anywhere, with chemical weapons it would be worse, 30,000, instead of 3000; Minnesota instead of New York. Ignoring the problem would not make it go away. Terrorists have no power, thats why they use such tactics. Iraq is a mess, but sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. A bunch of dis-organized terrorists are better than state sponsored terror.

Saddam's WMD's, coupled with his imperial ambitions, and ruthless tactics constituted a significant threat. I don't believe that they were destroyed, and neither should you. Would you believe a man like Saddam?

Fine, support the Palestinian people, but don't support the militants that intentionally murder busloads of innocent people, including other palestinians and moslems. Saddam was rewarding these deeds specifically, not helping the Palestinians in general. I recognize, this was not a reason the U.S. stated we went to war, but it is just another example of the urgency involved. If we let the U.N. proceed in their own way, perhaps we would still be in the same place, only at a later time.

Of course not, but it proves the issue is not so clear, calling them morons is just a way for you to avoid thinking about it too much.

 

As Jacob Sullum so eloquently put it before the war...

In gulf war 1, he had chemical weapons. He did not use them against American forces, because he knew the retaliation would be massive.

Iraq was a devastated country with infrastructure in a shambles, and a military that barely gave our forces pause.

I have yet to be convinced that Saddam Hussein's Iraq posed a significant threat to the U.S.

 

Spidergoat said

False Dilemma

 

Be my friend or I'll beat the crap out of ya

God knows I love this country but!
No one can top us for brutality. Ask thee American Indian. If ya can find one. We have been the biggest damn bully on the block for a long time. And we wonder why the other children in the school yard dont want to play with us? Oh sure there nice to our faces.. sometimes, who wouldnt be ! Just remember bully's dont always win. What saddam didnt realize is he would have probably won had he not fired a shot.

The U.S is not pulling out of IRAQ until the oil they went there for is secured and shipping west. If you think Bush went to Iraq to rescue Iraq citizens or prevent "WMD" your living in a non reality.

Using American pride like a violin player he redirected our Bin Laden angers and sent us into to a war for his own preverted agenda. Which most americans know nothing about. Special interest groups have more power than the senate and house combined. Wake up citizens don't be sheep for ever.

 

spidergoat

Would you believe a man like Saddam?

yep , more than you and of course more than george W

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if you take the monster out of saddams head - he would be a nice , intelligent , proud person !
if i would have to deceide which of both persons should be my dad -> i would chose the smaller liar and pick saddam

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at least he could teach me what honor means , something bush could never be abe to do

i´m glad that saddam is alive ( though your president wants to see him dead ) , because he has now the perfect postion to fuck some people like rummy in the ass ( i hope you all are going to buy his book )

 

lets lighten up a bit...

The thread was named: Why Americans are utter morons;

I tend to prove why here:

In case you need further proof that the America is doomed because of stupidity, here are some actual label instructions on consumer goods.

On a Sears hairdryer: Do not use while sleeping. (darn, and that's the only time I have to work on my hair).
On a bag of Fritos: You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. Details inside. (the shoplifter special)?
On a bar of Dial soap: "Directions: Use like regular soap." (and that would be how???....)
On some Swanson frozen dinners: "Serving suggestion: Defrost." (but, it's "just" a suggestion).
On Tesco's Tiramisu dessert (printed on bottom): "Do not turn upside down." (well...duh, a bit late, huh)!
On Marks & Spencer Bread Pudding: "Product will be hot after heating." (...and you thought????...)
On packaging for a Rowenta iron: "Do not iron clothes on body." (but wouldn't this save me more time)?
On Boot's Children Cough Medicine:"Do not drive a car or operate machinery after taking this medication." (We could do a lot to reduce the rate of construction accidents if we could just get those 5-year-olds with head-colds off those forklifts.)
On Nytol Sleep Aid: "Warning: May cause drowsiness." (and...I'm taking this because???....)
On most brands of Christmas lights: "For indoor or outdoor use only." (as opposed to...what)?
On a Japanese food processor: "Not to be used for the other use." (now, somebody out there, help me on this. I'm a bit curious.)
On Sunsbury's peanuts: "Warning: contains nuts." (talk about a news flash!)
On an American Airlines packet of nuts: "Instructions: Open packet, eat nuts." (Step 3: maybe, uh...fly Delta?)
I don't blame the company. I blame the parents for this one: On a child's superman costume: "Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly."
In a chainsaw: "Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals."
(....was there a lot of this happening somewhere)?

Corporate lawyers are making us morons!!!

Godless.

 

Although I can't quote it directly

Although I can't quote it directly, the "Do not point at another person" warning on the barrel of a Smith & Wesson is ... worrisome in its own right.

 

Sure, if you were fortunate enough not to be born a Kurd or a Shiite, but instead born a Sunni, a minority in the nation, and made sure you never said anything remotely critical of the government or happened to be in close proximity to Saddam or his sons when they were having a bad hair day.

 

Or in the case of Uday

If you happened to be a female that he found attractive, regardless of being married, engaged, of age, underage, no matter to Uday. More than one well documented case of Uday crashing a wedding ceremony, taking the new bride to be away at gunpoint and having his way with her on her wedding night. In at least one case the groom committed suicide rather than face the humiliation.

Yep, Iraq was a real paradise under Saddam and his boys.

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