Went to see "The Last Samuri" last night and.....

It isn't as good as I thought. The plot was OK, the acting was Ok, the scenery was OK, I'd give it a 5 on the scale of 1 to 10. Cruse did an OK job but all the others helped this film out a great deal. See this one on a matinee or better yet wait for the rental to come out.

 

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if u wanna see a good samurai film, go see Kill Bill

 

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1. Kill Bill is NOT samurai film
2. Kill Bill is NOT good film.
3. Kill Bill is one fucking boring crap.

 

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Kill Bill is a basic revenge tale that Tarantino has dressed up by using gravity-defying martial arts and comically copious amounts of blood. The main character doesn't have a name (just as she doesn't have much of a personality - she's an icon), and is referred to solely as "The Bride" or by her code name, "Black Mamba." As played by Uma Thurman, she is grimness personified. That's understandable, though. On her wedding day, her husband-to-be was murdered, she was beaten up and shot in the head, and her unborn child was stolen from her womb. (We don't yet know why - presumably we'll find out in Volume 2.) The five responsible for this were Bill (David Carradine) and the four members of his "Deadly Viper Assassination Squad:" O-Ren Ishi a.k.a. Cottonmouth (Lucy Liu), Vernita Green a.k.a. Copperhead (Vivica A. Fox), Budd a.k.a. Side Winder (Michael Madsen), and Elle Driver a.k.a. California Mountain Snake (Daryl Hannah). Four years later, after awakening from a coma, The Bride has one thing on her mind: revenge. She starts out by going after Cottonmouth and Copperhead. (Side Winder, California Mountain Snake, and Bill are left for Volume 2.)

One aspect of Kill Bill that doesn't disappoint are the action sequences. Although no better than those in The Matrix Reloaded, they are fun to watch, as The Bride slices and dices her way through dozens of enemies, using hidden wires to do Crouching Tiger-like moves. Tarantino has designed Kill Bill as an homage to the Hong Kong movies he dearly loves, and it accomplishes that. There is so much blood that it's virtually impossible not to laugh as gallons of it spew like a fountain from a decapitated head. The level of gore is so over-the-top that only the most sensitive of viewers will be grossed-out. Tarantino is going for campy comedy in these cases rather than realism.

 

The Bride's name is no secret.

It is on her plain ticket.

Bill calls her by her name.

Also hidden in a piece of dialogue with O-Ren: "Silly rabbit... Trix are for kids".

 

The most annoying part of the movie, in my opinion, was when the emperor decided not to sign the treaty. This is blatant and unapologetic historical revisionism. In the real world the emperor happily signed the treaty.

 

Your correct but remember this is a fictional movie not a documentary. It is always good to remember that MOST movies are fictional accounts of things that might have happened only to make the movie more interesting.

 

It's one thing to slip an extra character into a historical event – it's quite another to completely change how the historical event unfolded. The point of the movie is to imagine what it might have been like for an American who got caught up in historic Japanese events. It completely ruins the experience if they go around blatantly fictionalizing things like this. I mean, obviously Japan modernizes, so I don't know why they even bother to pretend otherwise. You can only fiddle so much with history in a movie before it moves from fiction to nonsense.

 

Well said, Nasor. I think all historically based films shoudl have a large disclaimer at the beggining, saying, for the peculiarly dumb that "this film is only based upon history, and has changed parts to suit the story, so this is only a film, it isnt real".

 

I'm not saying that movies like this are doing anything underhanded; obviously no one is going to mistake 'Last Samurai' for a documentary. My point is that it's difficult to enjoy a movie like this if they fiddle with history too blatantly.

People would have been pissed off at 'Saving Private Ryan' if the allies had used fighter jets and M-16 rifles because it would have broken the aura of believability. It's the same sort of thing with 'Last Samurai,' except in this case the movie makers are able to get away with it because most Americans don't know much about Japanese history.

 

Movies are just "entertainment" not to be exact in what they convey but to just be entertaining as best they can be. Ever watch a space movie, I'll bet there's never any problem that they really twist reality when the make those type of movies yet I don;'t hear to many complaints because those movies were "entertaining" weren't they? Star Wars, Star Trek come to mind for this discussion not to redirect the topic away from its intent but only to show an analogy as to other types of "basterdization " of reality.

 

True, but I expect ridiculously far-fetched things when I go to a StarWars movie. I don't expect it when I go to a movie that's supposed to have a historical basis.

 

Just came back from watching it.

If you haven't seen the movie, I suggest you stop reading whatever review you read. Whoever wrote that review is a brainless fucking retard.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!! OMG thank you because I almost walked the hell out of the theater and set fire to it because of that fuck bull shit.


The movie was very excellent until the last two scenes.
1) There was no way anybody would have been allowed that close to the emperor of Japan with a weapon. Especially somebody that was an enemy. That scene was so unimaginably stupid.
2) The emperor suddenly changed his character out of absolutely nowhere. The stupidity of that just completely pissed me off.
3) Then there was the romance between the Last Samurai and the girl. That was just plain unfounded. Sure he became a good friend of the family, but that bullshit was just too much.
4) Last but not least which was just more of a minor irritation than anything else, was the fact that they never showed weather or not those soldiers committed mass seppuku after defeating the samurai.

If it wasn't for that shit that COMPLETELY ruined it, it would have been a great ass movie. The samurai effects in this movie made Kill Bill look like a joke. I thought about Kill Bill as I watched this movie, and before you Kill Bill fans start crying about how Kill Bill wasn't meant to be take seriously, get a clue.

 

I was going to watch it, but I think this thread has convinced me otherwise. It does sound a bit crap. Mostly I would have just gone to see it for the martial arts - is it as gory as Kill Bill??

Perhaps I'll stick to Crouching/Hidden.

 

Last Samurai was excellent. I'll agree with Ebert on this quote:

"Is there a line between dying for what you believe in, and dying because of what you believe in?"

 

Yes. For implies a choice on your part. What's your view?

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If you want to see a good samurai/based on japanese history film..watch Shogun. Its an older film but looks very authentic (only not available on dvd, only on videa

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i was going to go see it... but i think ive changed my mind....

 

what changed your mind if I may ask?