Europeans living in a dream world

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  1. truth Registered Senior Member

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    The Czech president feels that Europeans are living in a dream world of welfare and long vacations.

    http://washingtontimes.com/world/20031124-110833-1781r.htm

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  3. Captain Canada Stranger in Town Registered Senior Member

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    It's a great world to be in I can tell you!
     
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  5. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    How on earth do the Europeans PAY for all this ???


    ...Or maybe it is just being a more equal distribution of wealth ?
     
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  7. truth Registered Senior Member

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    High taxes.
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  8. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    things don't seem much cheaper in the US (except for gasoline) despite the 'higher' taxes.
     
  9. EI_Sparks Registered Senior Member

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    We don't have high taxes, we have average taxes. US taxes (we talked about this a while back here) come to about 2% less than Irish taxes, for example.

    Cooper's a respected authority on firearms, but he's also a right-wing nut, you know. After all, don't SWAT police officers wear ski masks while on duty?
    And US GI's often carried AKs while serving abroad, especially in Vietnam because the M-16 has a smaller calibre round, is more complicated and prone to failure, and at the time had serious design flaws that were killing infantrymen.
     
  10. nico Banned Banned

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    I would simply refer the Americans and the Czech president to the4 countries who have the best living standards in the world... Norway, Sweden, and Finland... I wonder why...? Could it be that their governments are altruistic, and deem taxes as a necessary part of maintaining the best countries in the world to live in? I am certain many elderly in the US would assert that living in a state that is cutting more taxes then she can afford too, isn't making them any favors...

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  11. truth Registered Senior Member

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    And exactly how big are these countries welfare roles? How big are their immigration problems? I don't believe any of them have the job of maintaining extensive security measures. How much do they give out to developing countries, etc., etc., etc.....
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    I'm pretty sure about it. 1, 2, 3, and then 4.
     
  13. Overdose From the steppes of Mongolia Registered Senior Member

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    Yes actually they do live in a dream world.
    First of all they think that there is something that unites them. Thats a dream for sure. There is nothing like unification of the European countries. We have seen how things can separete EU countires in th example of the 2. Gulf War. Some say that there is an economic unification. What about England?
    Its a dream but maybe a reality in the future
     
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    To what point have we let ourselves go when referring to the European’s “dream world”.

    That they have a solid social security system.
    Even more solid Medical Security system.
    Relatively well managed unemployment benefit.
    A humane employment rights.
    Decent working hours and annual “paid” holidays, 28 to 30 working days.

    And we “corporate” America are calling those basic signs of a modernized population, a Dream?

    I guess with our big militarization, secret societies and free hand at profit-making. We don’t need the European “dream world” . Our government manages our tax money to the best of their interest… after all, don’t we have our American Dream? Now that’s a real dream!

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  15. Psycho-Cannon Home grown and Psycho Registered Senior Member

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    I'd sooner choose the European Dream where i am free to persue my own goals and to make money and live free and put back into the system in taxes knowing that the same system that lives off a part of my pay check will be there if when im old if i'm not filthy rich by then and will always make sure i'm treated if im ill or injured regardless of insurance or how much money i have in the bank.

    Than the American dream where i am free to persue my own goals and make money and live free without having to put as much back into the system (i'm just encouraged to go out and shop and spend patrioticaly in times of hardship) and make a profit knowing that if i fail or when im old if im not rich by or my savings haven't been screwed by another corporate fat cat scandal....im fucked.
     
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    Not a problem after '67. The problem with the early M16 jamming was that the Army decided to replace the originally specific powder with standard ball powder, which was used in 7.62x51mm NATO ammunition. It caused a build up of residue in the M16, which led to jamming. Added to that, the Army said they were 'low maintenance', and didn't issue cleaning kits. Completely rectified by the end of 1967. As far as the smaller calibre, that could be a problem in heavy foliage. The .223 was designed to tumble, which was lethal to the body, but being light and tumbling, meant it could be misdirected in heavy undercover. But I'm not sure what you mean by a 'complicated' weapon. They were easy to handle, and easy to break down. But at any rate. a 12 gauge Ithaca loaded with 00 buckshot was often preferred to either choice of assault rifle.
     
  17. nico Banned Banned

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    And exactly how big are these countries welfare roles? How big are their immigration problems? I don't believe any of them have the job of maintaining extensive security measures. How much do they give out to developing countries, etc., etc., etc.....


    Those countries per capita give the most in aid to the third world, even in excess of what is perscribed by the UN I believe. These countries don't have welfare like you do, they are much more well developed and intergrated with the economy so really it fits like a puzzle. Jobs there are secured by the government, and they don't have a "job drain" the US does, they have this thing called "duty"...so...

    I'm pretty sure about it. 1, 2, 3, and then 4.

    Who do you think is #4 Jerrek? On the HDI?
     
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  18. guthrie paradox generator Registered Senior Member

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    "First of all they think that there is something that unites them."

    Yup, its the geography.

    "There is nothing like unification of the European countries."

    See above. ACtually, to expand a bit, its that tahnks to 50 years of relative economic prosperity and rebuilding, we can all travel between each otehrs countries easily. A chunk of the spanish coast is british, and a lot of brits also buy homes in france for retirement. The Eu is in holiday terms, and to some extent in real life working terms, becoming one big country. This is a process that cannot be hurried, since it has to occur as a natural growth, rather htan forced growth eg through gvt or corporate sponsored schemes. Which iss not to say that many EU schemes havnt been rather successful, rather that there should be as little sense of urgency as possible.

    "We have seen how things can separete EU countires in th example of the 2. Gulf War. Some say that there is an economic unification. What about England?"

    The Uk, please. Note that the disagreement was mostly at the top political level, ie the greedy bastard level. Which is not to play down the difficulties, but teh disagreements wont affect the overall drift to greater unity. Economically speaking, the continent is fairly close, but its the UK that is the problem, since it is tied more to the USA. It may well be the USA trojan horse inside Europe, or alternatively, get brainwashed into the EU.
     

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