Pauline Hanson The Political Prisoner.

Dole payments are not gauged accordingly, I'm currently on the "Parenting Payment" and do not get any extra benefits. The "flag" is so the goverment knows your a loser and makes you jump through all sorts of hoops (Job Training etc

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). Although Abstudy was more $$ & benefits than Austudy years ago, I don't know about now?
Most of the cash allocated gets burned at the top of organisations like ATSIC. Which surprise, surprise JH has now constrained as One Nation was calling for a few years ago. As soon as Pauline is back in the news, JH pulls out the old One Nation policy document for some pointers

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My oh my, getting desperate to score points now aren't you.

The major parties have stolen a lot of One Nation policies. They correctly believe that the general public won't notice.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. If you don't like offensive terminology then don't call other people you don't know racists. It's guaranteed to get their back up.

That wasn't what you said. You assumed 60% would be anglo-saxon. A false assumption. The 66% covers ALL other nationalities of which Anglo-Saxons are only a fraction. Nice try.

What a racist claim. Assuming that all aborigines and Torres Straight Islanders are underpriviledged and need special attention. Claims should be based solely on need. Calculated on a case by case basis according to living circumstances.

My wife doesn't follow politics. I've only met a couple of Japanese who have heard of Pauline Hanson. Your question reminds me of an interview I once saw. An interview with a Japanese businessman. It went something like this.

"What do you think of Pauline hanson?"
"Sorry, I don't know who that is."
"She's a politician who has made racist cooments about Asians."
"Oh."
"How would you feel about meeting Pauline Hanson."
"I probably wouldn't want to."
"Do you think it would affect trade relations if Pauline Hanson won a seat in Parliament."
"I suppose it might."

That was used as evidence of Pauline being racist and harming trade with Asia.

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One Nation has vowed to hand over land on Cape York’s Kalpowar holding to the Vietnam veterans who occupy it.

Part of the property, 125km west of Cooktown, has been used as a retreat by hundreds of veterans since former soldiers occupied it in 2001. They call their project Pandanus Park.

Camp spokesman Les Hiddins, television’s Bush Tucker Man, says his men want permanent access to the Green Ant block on the banks of the Normanby River.

Mr Hiddins has accused the State Government of hiding behind native title claims to refuse them permanent access to the land, which was once a soldier settler block and was later a grazing lease.

“Whatever they’ve been promised, no one will give these ex-soldiers what they want without extinguishing native title to the area,” One Nation’s Queensland leader Bill Flynn said today.

“Only one party will do that – and that is One Nation. We are totally opposed to land rights based on ethnicity. We support the settlers at Kalpowar and we will allow them to continue to live in harmony with their Aboriginal neighbours.

“Les Hiddins and his men have a struck up a close relationship with the indigenous people of the district and only wish to continue using the site. One Nation will go one further and hand over the land they need.

“The state government wants to move them on because they interfere with their plans to turn the whole of Cape York into an Aboriginal homeland,” said Mr Flynn.

“We will never support segregation in Australia.”

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Really? I'm certainly not! It disgusts me that refugees can come here ILLEGALLY and be treated as first class citizens and gain assistance in finding employment and a place to live. They are even provided with little 'courses' on "How to find a home to rent".

What about the Australian citizens who are on the streets and homeless? Surely they are more deserving of such attention and tax-payers money.

To hell with resource sapping immigrants. Fuck off out of Australia and back to your own miserable shit hole.

PS. However, I do NOT support Pauline Hanson. She's absolutely loopy!

 

Let's look at a couple of things. Pauline Hanson and one nation might be guilty of fraud, that much is clear. However, how easy was it for her party to be investigated and found guilty when the so-called "major" Australian parties are rarely (competantly) investigated for anything at all? I'm quite certain there have been several other things done which would merit the same treatment, and yet One Nation (Pauline in particular) have been so easily victimised it's ludicrous. She is, unfortunately, an easy target by comparison with the established government and opposition.
Disregarding guilt for the moment, I think the main point is that she was easily investigated, and easily jailed... put out of the way in the manner of any threat to the established parties. In that sense, she is indeed a political prisoner. I think the problem is not so much the fact that she was jailed, in my view at least, but how easily it was achieved by the major political parties. Something... smells.

Hanson herself may be a bigot. She may not be overly bright where her remarks are concerned. But this is simply ad-hominem. The political aims of One Nation, if anyone actually bothered to read them rather than what their detractors say they are, are rather different than her remarks might indicate, and in a lot of ways quite sensible. The very same people who criticise the policies against differential treatment of black and whites, for example, are often the ones who complain about affirmative action in American schools when it suddenly becomes less a lofty racism issue and instead something which affects them personally. Hypocrasy rampant, as per usual. Idealism opposed to reality. Hanson is honest by comparison with other baby-kissing politicians... and this I find very refreshing regardless of whether I agree with her ideas in their totality or not.

One Nation is opposed to "affirmative action" (The US term) and other divisory policies. I agree.
One Nation is strongly opposed to the granting of "Native Title" (which partially falls under the same category as the above). I agree strongly - it is more divisive than reconciliatory.
One Nation seems to have the same sort of American "one nation under God" routine. They can shove that "under god" bit where it fits.
One Nation is overly conservative concerning the importance of family values et al. I'm unconcerned by this.
One Nation is concerned about the level of asian immigration, based largely on their financial ability to do so rather than level of contribution. I agree... somewhat.
One nation is concerned about immigrants from different cultures forming "communities" within Australian which are definately not Australian either in values or nature. I agree. The extent of this might be questionable, but it certainly explains why James R asks why those immigrants from Europe/UK are not disliked - and the simple answer is that they are not noticeably forming English communities within Australia. They become Australians with sentimental ties to the UK... not Afghans who happen to live in Australia (as an example). How many times do we have to point out the difference, is it so fucking difficult to grasp?

James R speaks of "spin"... and then does some marvellous twirling himself. Spookz is merely a fool with some small poetic talent but little knowledge other than what he garners from the net, with regard to this issue.

 

You could also claim that most Australians are publically proud to call our country multi-cultural... because they're too damn afraid to speak their minds otherwise for fear of being labelled racist, or they're sheep following the latest trends in popular thinking.

 

James R:
In this case, the fraud was fairly blatant. No political party would have got away with it.
Moreover, the political parties are constantly under scrutiny - mostly from each other.
Up to a point, yes. However, One Nation is viewed with what amounts to contempt by all other major parties and by influential media (even though a couple of years down the track when it's safe to do so, the major parties seem to adopt certain of their policies - politicians, gotta love 'em). One Nation only had to make one mistake, and they were history. The other major parties do not engender such an emotional response from those concerned, and emotional responses by their very nature are far more savage, albeit legally restricted.

I disagree. So, I guess that makes us even. Do you have any actual arguments against affirmative action, or just an opinion?
The "actual arguments" for and against affirmative action have been covered on these foums a couple of times before, and they are merely opinions from what I've seen. I base my opinions on observation, mostly. If you think I'm going to rehash old ground so as to provide a response to your attempted pinpricks, think again. However...

How so?
If you haven't discerned the general resentment brewing over such action, particularly Native Title legislation and such like, then perhaps you should emerge from your cave and talk to people once in a while. I don't mean garnering your opinions from The Panel, either. I mean what real people are saying when they aren't being videotaped, or don't happen to be in "polite company". Far from bringing about reconciliation, it is creating yet another divide (resentment) between black and white. Witness the effect ( as discussed here not long ago) on white "majority" students in the US who were victims of affirmative action. Resentment. You appear to be ignoring the long term effects of resentment in favour of a blind ideology. Not uncommon, but it does shit me no end. Perhaps you don't even notice those effects... unless of course, the victim is black - and that makes all the difference, doesn't it?

Historically, immigrants to Australia have contributed greatly to the Australian economy - not to mention the culture.
Yes, they have. This has very little to do with the issue of money guaranteeing access these days though.

What you seem to want is a backwards-looking definition of what an Australian is. Have you considered that, just maybe, white Australians should consider adopting parts of other cultures which are admirable? I didn't think so.
You didn't think "at all" would probably be more accurate. Adopting certain aspects of other cultures is largely unavoidable, in some ways beneficial, and I never said otherwise. The objection was to pockets of incompatible cultures forming within Australia where no attempt is made to assimilate into the local culture.

You read a few lines, the word "racist" forms in your mind and glows so brightly you're blinded to what is actually being said in favour of your preconceptions. Your attitude here is very similar to one of the reasons One Nation could never hope to gain a majority vote across Australia, which is perhaps a good thing in some ways. Preconception, widely used with glee by One Nation's opponents. The spin doctors have a field day with them - they merely have to raise the spectre of racism and the public will fall over backwards to accomodate those beliefs.

Yes, you could claim that. And in some cases you'd be right. Then again, there's a whole other group of people who <b>actually</b> believes that multiculturalism is a good thing, believe it or not.
Gee, really? Never would have guessed. Did you have a point in repeating someone else's post, or were you just filling in space?

Oh.. Spookz. Your attention seeking antics might amuse some, and they once did me, but now you're simply boring. Go away and talk about something you have some real knowledge of. Swear a lot, pretend to yourself it makes you look cool, a rebel. Write some gutter poetry for the churls, or something. Shoo.

 

Originally posted by James R

Which of One Nation's policies do you think have been adopted by the major parties, in particular?

The current government used getting tough on illegal immigrants as an almost invisible platform prior to the last election, along with Iraq. While they didn't go about advertising it to any great degree, it's obvious to the observer which part of the population they were aiming at. They're simply not advertising that fact in the open, which is one reason I said Hanson is more honest (but probably less politically astute). The Tampa incident generated enough public advertising for their tough stance on illegals that they had no need to use it as a platform - they'd advertised by example.

It's not general resentment, in my opinion. It is quite specific resentment by quite specific interest groups. There's a big difference.

As I said, you don't get out much do you? Groups appear in the media showing resentment, and you assume they're the only ones feeling it? They're not. I could just as easily say it's only specific groups who don't feel resentment. White city dwellers who haven't been into the countryside for anything other than a camping trip to feel "at one with nature" once a year or so, for example, or sensitive new age liberals wearing hair shirts, proudly displaying their aboriginal friends for all to see - if they can find some sufficiently whitened to accept their company in the first place. See how easy that is?

You mean, like, on the internet, for example? Yes, I've heard a lot of comments from real people. The thing is, a lot of real people just aren't too bright. They basically don't think of much beyond their own immediate interests.

The internet, yes... for example.. I wasn't using the net as basis for observation though, as I've seen both points of view represented there in relatively equal amounts.

Most people don't think beyond their "immediate interests", no. In this case, their "immediate interest" might be to have all of Australia available to them to walk around in. You're almost making my argument for me here, James. Think about it. If most people's immediate interest is selfish, and they see that there are large areas of Australia suddenly given over to a minority population which they will not be permitted to use, then what do you think their reaction will be? It doesn't matter whether you regard them as being overly bright or not. There will be a large portion of white Australians, feeling resentment for years to come. Now, how exactly do you think this will bring about reconciliation sooner? The aboriginals feel resentment now. The whites are beginning to feel it as a result of overcompensation. All you're doing with this idiocy is shifting the focus, like forcibly taking a favoured toy from one child who's had it too long and giving it to the other.

Hmm.. my ideology is blind, but One Nation supporters have 20/20 vision. How convenient for them.

I'm sure you'll point out where I said that. I've hinted several times that I personally wouldn't vote for One Nation. My purpose here was to point out a few things that people tend to ignore in their condemnation of a party that they feel a strong emotional response to, as you're demonstrating for me quite aptly.

It is only now that the white majority is starting to realise how oppressed and badly treated black people have been in the past. Of course, some haven't got to that point yet.

I will say it again though as I have in the past - I personally had nothing to do with any of it, and while I might feel some embarrassment for my ancestors' actions, I refuse to shoulder the burden of guilt for them. If you want to wear a hair shirt, then by all means do so. I will walk in the bush where I damn well please, as the aboriginals do in Australian national parks, and I refuse to endorse large chunks of land given over to a minority out of guilt.

There is a large difference between understanding what was done in the past, and feeling guilt for your ancestors actions. You'd have done well as a German - You'd be flogging yourself even now for your grandfather's treatment of the jews, wouldn't you? Should the Germans give Berlin to them out of guilt? Should the USA give the southern states to the blacks? Do you understand the resentment it would cause if they did? Apparently not. The world has made the mistake of absolving guilt by giving land to an oppressed minority before, and the effects of that "solution" are still being felt now. Here we are doing the same thing.

I don't know. "Keep the Asians out" seems to be a fairly easy-to-grasp theme here.

You see? Instant reaction.

The reason the press have a field day with One Nation policies is that they are so easy to shoot full of holes. They are based on prejudice and an over-simplified appreciation of the issues. That's why they appeal to that minority which prefers not to have to think about things.

All parties appeal to people who prefer not to have to think about things. That, incidentally, covers most of the population. The reason that One Nations' policies are so easy to shoot down, is because they are at odds with what we're told to think. Thus, the media merely has to appeal to emotion rather than reason, and Voila! Instant counter argument ,canned, labelled and on the shelves.

Filling in space - just like you.
Just like all of us, it appears. As I stated previously, you see "Racism" as a great big neon sign and don't see anything past that. If you'd been capable of it, you would have noticed that rather than supporting them, I'm attacking their detractors as being similarly brainwashed.

 

Pauline Hanson just got released. Her conviction completely quashed. I already posted this once and it was deleted. Tough cookies children. You can eat your own garbage about her deserving the sentence. Just like the rest of your drivel it reflected a total lack of intelligence. The appeal court has thrown this political witch hunt out the door and into the gutter where it deserves with no possibility of prosecution wasting further money on another trial.

We won. You braindead no nothing dropkicks lost.

One Nation forever!

 

As is often the case, people bitch but don't tell the whole story. In a PM to
roadkill (which has not been read, by the way) I explained the deletion:

After reviewing your thread on Pauline Hanson I understand your...
enthusiasm... but you are going to need to repost it without all of the insults,
both direct and indirect. I'll clean up the thread for you, and we'll see if a
discussion can be restarted.

'Nuff said.

 

She was arrested on a technicality. The case was thrown out of the appeal court in less than 5 minutes.

Go back and read some of the 'emotive' writings of your co-libelers.

We did for 3 months. Even Nelson Mandella was released eventually.

 

So, with a wave of your hand and a presumption that dollars will make it all ok, you dismiss the subject, James.

Apparently one has to be a member of an oppressed minority to evoke your sympathy.

 

Hi Roadkill, I like Pauline Hanson to but I think it's kinda counter productive calling those who don't like her rude names.

Its kind of a classic case of being innocent until you run out of money or not having the expertise to have justice since Ettridge decided to represent himself.

One thing Pauline has done in her political career is make both sides of politics actually agree on something [their contempt for her and what she stands for].

Actually, unfortunately she won't. Since if everyone who went to jail and were subsequently proven innocent got compensated the state would be bankrupt.