i have a stupid question...

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  1. OverTheStars Registered Senior Member

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    sorry for wasting anyones time...
    if a donkey can mate with a horse and produce a mule, then how come people can't mate with apes and produce...ape men?
     
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  3. John Connellan Valued Senior Member

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    Some species are so alike that they can produce sterile offspring such as a mule. These species can be grouped together in what is known as a "kind". Humans unfortunately are the only species of its kind!
     
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  5. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I really haven't met an ape that I'd want to fuck, have you!!

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  7. river-wind Valued Senior Member

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    John covered it, but to be even more specific, Horses and Donkeys are close enough to each other to produce offspring. They're offspring, however are not able to reproduce, so horses and Donkeys are considered different species of a kind, instead of different breeds of a species (like we classify dogs).

    We can't reproduce with apes, dogs, horses, dolphins, parrots, bees, or bacteria because we are not close enough to them in the structure of our genetics to form a single cell made of the combined componants of both members of a sexual encounter. The sexual cells from each individual aren't similar enough to know that they even could join up.

    Now if we *were* able to produce a hybrid ape-man by having sex with apes, then apes and humans would be classified as the same species. if that offspring were not viable (ie not able to reproduce - "sterile"), then we would be different species within the same kind.

    however, we are not able to reproduce at all, so we are in different kinds, as well as species. We are in the same Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order and Family, though, because we are both animals, mammels, canines, and something else (I forget the Order classifcation for primates

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    tHe classification system has a great number of these sorts of questions built into it, it's really a cool setup!
     
  8. 1100f Banned Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I know of some human couples that gave birth to a donkey...

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  9. Ste_harris Net Ninja Registered Senior Member

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    hmm a while back one of the tabloids claimed that a scientist had successfully created a Man Rabbit or a Mabbit

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    He managed to manipulate human and rabbit egg and sperm cells and allowed them to mature and form a zygote apparently, before terminating the thing out of common decency

    I'll see if i can find anything on it
    I know they published a dodgy artists rendering of it
     
  10. skyederman Registered Senior Member

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    Canines are dogs.

    Classifications for humans
    There's the current classification of humans. Everything under the superfamily is under debate currently as molecular comparisons between us and other groups get looked at.
     
  11. curioucity Unbelievable and odd Registered Senior Member

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    The problem can be answered if we know the exact structure of the DNA...
     
  12. Biggles Custos morum Registered Senior Member

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    Never mind donkeys & horses! How about cross breeding a tiger & a Lion to produce a Tiglon or Liger?

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  13. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    i think that this has been done already...especially in circusses where these animals often live together. So go and live with a monkey. Be micheal jackson.
     
  14. strategicman Registered Senior Member

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    HAHAHA, he's such a freak.
     
  15. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    So what's the definition of a genus?

    When I was in high school (back in the days when we had to walk five miles to the music store without skateboards to buy albums on vinyl) we were taught that the definition of a genus is a group of species that can interbreed.

    Horses, zebras, and asses (donkeys) are all members of genus Equus and they can all hybridize.

    Ditto for dogs, wolves, coyotes, and jackals, genus Canis.

    Ditto for domestic cats and the smaller wild cats of Africa and Asia, genus Felis.

    Ditto for lions, tigers, and many of the larger cats, genus Panthera, although some of those matings have to be done by artificial insemination because it's not easy to get them that friendly with each other.

    Humans and the other ape species are not members of the same genus. We are genus Homo. The three species of chimpanzees, our closest relatives, are all in genus Pan. They can interbreed with each other, but not with us. Each of the other three apes has its own separate genus -- gorillas, orangutans, and gibbons. Their DNA isn't close enough to hybridize.

    What I don't get is that now they are starting to re-classify animals into many more genera than before. The domestic cat and the ocelot are now two different genera. Yet they hybridize so readily that third- and fourth-generation ocicats are available as pets. The hyacinth macaw (the huge purple poster child of the endangered species campaign) and the blue-and-gold macaw (the most common pet macaw) are classified in two different genera, yet they hybridize easily enough that the breeders have a name for the offspring: the Colson macaw, after the guy who bred the first one.

    Does anybody know what's going on? What exactly constitutes a genus these days?
     
  16. ydoc16 Registered Member

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    Forgive me if i am wrong but i have read articles that have claim that a Mule has been able to reproduce before it is extremely rare and acording to the article it was never reproduced again but this cant be just a freak of nature just that mule are not sterile but simply incompatible so to speak and this one in a million time they were compatable.
     
  17. curioucity Unbelievable and odd Registered Senior Member

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    What are the factors needed to be taken into account for inter-species breeding? Taxonomy is of course important, but what else? Chromosomes? Their amount? The shape of genetic information?
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if people could have bred with Neanderthols. Unfortunately our closest relatives are extinct.
     
  19. TFW Registered Member

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    Don't many plants break your rules for species/genus.
     
  20. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Are chimp-human hybrids really impossible?

    (Pedantry - Humans are apes. I'll assume you mean Chimpanzees.)

    How do you know we can't? I don't think methodical research on the topic could ever be published for ethical reasons.
     
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    If "kind" is a set of species that can mate1 (defn. produce partial/complete fertile/unfertile offspring), then what is a "subspecies"? My memory could be bad, but I thought some subspecies could mate2 (defn. produce fertile offspring) with each other and some could not?
     
  22. Roman Banned Banned

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    Subspecies are unique genetic populations within a species. For instance, red wolves (engangered) are considered a subspecies, but genetic research has begun to reveal that they may just be a hybridization of a coyote and wolf, or wolf and dog.

    Dingos, the Australian wild dog, are a subspecies of canine familiaris (pet dog).

    Environmental law can be passed to protect subspecies or unique gene pools, typically ones that have been isolated over time and have begun to display slightly different characteristics than the species.
     
  23. brerlee Registered Member

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    Your second example is the one I grew up with; Basically, similar DNA in same number of chromosomes with corresponding genes (on those chromosomes).

    In your first example of subspecies, if/when the "red wolf" is determined to be a fertile hybrid of two different species (two species within a "kind"), then I guess the "red wolf" will end up losing the label of "subspecies" and have it replaced with the label of "hybrid"?

    I wonder how hazy that "line" is when a subspecies of a species is no longer a subspecies but rather a hybrid of that species with a (currently) unknown other species.

    What is the definition that current taxonomy uses to determine if a "subgroup" is actually a "subspecies"? Is different fur color or pattern sufficient? Different bone structure? Has the modern definition been updated to use DNA differences in its definition? E.g. Could different subspecies of canine familiaris have different number of chromosomes?

    What it boils down to, is, "How do I know when I have two different subspecies?"
     
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