Mental Instability Diagnosis of Mohammed

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Considering that I have already discussed and reached the conclusion about it being nonsense to assert in the context of the real, that deities do and don't exist with wesmorris, you "not seeing my argument" is mere closemindedness on your part. I refuse to further get annoyed with your blatant disregard to address or attribute to me, my arguments. So be it. I merely wasted my time by bothering to reply to you in th first place.

 

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Considering that I have already discussed and reached the conclusion about it being nonsense to assert in the context of the real, that deities do and don't exist

How convenient, you convinced yourself you were right without making a point and without an argument. Too bad no one else shares your conclusion.

I refuse to further get annoyed with your blatant disregard to address or attribute to me, my arguments.

You keep stating you have an argument, yet I’m still waiting to hear one. Anytime your ready…

So be it. I merely wasted my time by bothering to reply to you in th first place.

I agree. Your pointless ramblings were a waste of time.

Next time, try formulating an argument before responding.

 

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Perhpas Dr. Herman should concentrate on diagnosis the mental instability of Einstein while he is at it. Afterall, Einstein spoke of our universe as a lion's tail, with the rest of the universe as a body that can not reveal itself to us..

"Nature shows us only the tail of the lion. But I do not doubt that the lion belongs to it even though he cannot at once reveal himself because of his enormous size" (Pais 1982, p. 235).

The instable Einstein also said.

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind" (Pais 1982, p. 319).

He also said that god doesn't play dice.

"God does not play dice with the world."

Einstein described an imaginary god in one of his unstable moods as:
"God is subtle, but he is not malicious."

Einstein mocked the progression of quantum physics in again one of his dillusional moods.

"The more success the quantum theory has, the sillier it looks. How nonphysicists would scoff if they were able to follow the odd course of developments!" (Pais 1982, p. 399).

Perhpas Einstein suffers from the same mental instability that Muhammed suffered from?

 

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Flores,

Einstein was a Pantheist. Please re-read his quotes with that realization.

The use of analogy is an effective method of education that is directed at those who cannot grasp complex realities on their own.

 

it saddens me that people belittle other people because of differences. people are people no matter what circumstances they're given,what they choose to believe in, or how their brains function. that's just my two cents.

 

I will remember to use that quote with YOU next time when you present me with one of your robot life analogy....only with you though, because I don't think it's appropriate for use with people with intelligence above the average bear.

 

Good point Cris - however Flores is unable to even grasp the analogies.

 

And can you please show me how to read Newton's quote below.

In Principia he stated, "The most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion on an intelligent and powerful Being."

And how about :

Johann Kepler (1571-1630) was the founder of physical astronomy. Kepler wrote "Since we astronomers are priests of the highest God in regard to the book of nature, it befits us to be thoughtful, not of the glory of our minds, but rather, above all else, of the glory of God.

Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) was one of the greatest early mathematicians, laid the foundations for hydrostatics, hydrodynamics, differential calculus, and the theory of probability. To him is attributed the famous Wager of Pascal, paraphrased as follows: "How can anyone lose who chooses to be a Christian? If, when he dies, there turns out to be no God and his faith was in vain, he has lost nothing--in fact, has been happier in life than his nonbelieving friends. If, however, there is a God and a heaven and hell, then he has gained heaven and his skeptical friends will have lost everything in hell!"

John Ray (1627-1705) was the father of English natural history, considered the greatest zoologist and botanist of his day. He also wrote a book, "The wisdom of God Manifested In The Works of Creation."

Werner Von Braun (1912-1977) was the father of space science. He wrote, ."..the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science."

And many many many others who perhpahs you should teach me about the correct light to use to understand the intent of their quotes.

 

As Einstein would put it....You are LAME.

 

Flores,

You had referenced Einstein in particular and I responded to that.

That some scientists have religious beliefs is not doubted, but we can show statistically that those that pursue science or have greater intelligence tend to be far less religious. Please also remember that those with anti-religious or non-religious beliefs have in the past been the subject of intense and malicious persecution. That a scientist from several hundred years ago professed to be religious is by no means evidence that indeed he was. You would be safer if you stay with quotes from modern scientists.

A quote from one of the links below – Why does this correlation exist? The first answer that comes to mind is that religious beliefs tend to be more illogical or incoherent than secular beliefs, and intelligent people tend to recognize that more quickly.

See these links –

http://www.objectivethought.com/atheism/iqstats.html

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/sci_relig.htm

But this is off topic, unless you can show some type of link between scientists and mental illness.

 

Invisbleone,

I agree. For example - there is no discernable difference between Hitler and Saint Mother Terresa, right?

 

Allow me please, and let's start with Einstein.

The genius of Albert Einstein is legendary. His gift of intellect, world renowned. He was, by many accounts, a dyslexic. A dyslexic of distinction, if you will. The original Absent Minded Professor.


I wonder about his mother, Mrs. . . Einstein. ...and this is what another mom of a dislxic child have compiled on the subject.

According to various sources, Albert did not begin to speak until he was three years old. Maybe five, or even seven years old, depending on the report. I remember our perplexity when our own son did not speak in full sentences until he was close to three. Just enough of a hold-out for us to consider some manner of assessment, when, on the very evening of this discussion, he broke his silence by asking, "Mom, do you think that dinosaurs live up in those hills?" What would Albert's first sentence have been? "Mom, how do you explain the time/space continuum?" His mother probably noted his clever first sentence in his baby book. Somewhere closer to the back cover than the front, no doubt!

Did you know that Albert did not learn how to tie his own shoelaces until he was nine, or thirteen, or possibly not ever? My little fellow was seven or eight when he was finally compelled to commit the procedure of shoe tying to memory. It was not really a victory after all. To this day, at the first possible opportunity, new laces are looped into indestructible Granny knots of the highest order. He is a Podiatric Squeeze and Stuffer. He has not been grievously injured tripping on his trailing laces yet, but a lifetime is a long time to spend avoiding disaster! Did Albert's mother chant every morning, "Albert! Your laces! God forbid, you could smash your front teeth out! Tie your laces!"? Just wondering...

I am positive that whoever invented Velcro was parenting a dyslexic.

Photographs of Mrs.. Einstein's son throughout his life speak of a person whose appearance could best be termed "rumpled." He reminds me of that old TV gumshoe, Columbo. And my son. Tidiness eludes him. Shoes slough. Socks look like forlorn Muppets dangling disconsolately off of his toes. Knees are torn, patched, torn again, or scabby. T-shirts end up stretched and wrinkly before noon. His hair is his most distinctive characteristic. Einsteinesque. I know that one day Albert's mother said to herself, "There are worse things in life than having unruly hair. I surrender." It is those lose ends that combine to defy their best efforts to organize even their own person.

In school, his teaching staff described Albert in less than stellar terms. Apparently nothing came easily, except, I suppose, Physics, when he finally got there. In the meantime, he could not remember the time's tables, he couldn't read very well, and spelling defeated him. Sounds familiar. It was even suggested that Albert might be mentally handicapped. His poor mom! Did she have the least recognition that her son's intellect was, in fact, beyond the beyonds? Or was she shaken and afraid, unable to trust the verity of her own observations? Did she ask herself, "How could I be so wrong?", or did she intuit, "How could THEY be so wrong?" Just wondering...

Some say that Mrs. Einstein decided to home school her son, or at the very least, home tutor him extensively. Brave Mrs. Einstein. In my case, I resisted committing to home-assisted learning for my son. I felt daunted before I even embarked. I surprised myself.

I can imagine Mrs. Einstein struggling to understand the dichotomy within her son. Surely he had flashes of brilliance that would burst here and there as she worked with him over his mundane schoolwork. I remember one evening spent laboring over a section of the grade five math curriculum. I was stumped. I didn't get it. I was completely willing to abandon the task as too inscrutable for me to comprehend let alone convey to my son. We had slogged through addition, subtraction, fractions, estimates, multiplication, but this, THIS! Polyhedrons, octahedrons, and truncated pyramids? WHAT?! "Oh," said my son with a tertiary glance, "That's easy!" And away he went to complete the section independently. With 100% accuracy. Did Mrs. Einstein ever say to herself, "My son, the genius!"? Did she spend at least equal time in exasperated disbelief that he had forgotten the order of the months of the year, again? Just wondering...

Dyslexics populate the Earth in great numbers. They are all around us all the time. She is the little girl who forgets her lunch at home for the third day in a row, and her jacket, and her homework. He is the friend who gets lost driving in his own neighborhood. She is the tour director who keeps saying, "Go to the right, to the RIGHT!" while emphatically gesturing to the left, the store clerk who can't count change. He is the young man who begins his chores in the middle and somehow works his way out to the beginning and to the end. He is the guy rattling his tin cup on the bars of his prison cell. He is the man accepting the Nobel Prize.

I wonder if Albert's mom, Just like Kadija, felt unshakable faith in her little boy to seize his awesome place in the world. Did she have the gift of a serene inner voice that assured her that he would find his way?

Cris, would you like to hear upon Lincoln, Cherchill, and Einstein's bipolar syndroms as well.

 

Flores,

So what you are trying to say then is that many successful people have some mental deficiencies and that these are more common than we realize or want to admit.

But this tends to support the diagnosis that Mohamed probably was suffering from mental delusions as has been indicated, i.e. it is more common as you have managed to show quite well. The difference between the great names you are quoting and Mohammed is that they managed to overcome their ‘disabilities’ while Mohammed never recognized his illness was giving him false information and he gave into them and believed they were true. That his charismatic nature resulted in others being convinced is probably one of the greatest unfortunate events of the past 1500 years.

It seems to me then that it is important to understand Mohamed’s illness and his delusions so that we may re-educate the Muslim population more appropriately.

 

I didn't say that, I merely pointed to the fact that we can't correlate things like mental conditions, acheivements, truthfulness, ect.... This is not a simple continuity equation where you can vary a couple of variables and quickly conclude about the truthfullness of people's work or lives.

I never mentioned the word dilusion. I just have mentioned that there are unexplained unknown mental capabilities attributed to most that have excelled. By definition these mental states should be viewed as positive since they resulted in the good of humanity, but you and others would rather redicule them without knowledge and without any base of normality for guaging your abusive judgement.

How the hell do you know that Muhammed never recovered. How do you know he was ill from the first place. Perhaps we are the ones that are ill and the few great men of history are the ones on the right track. Einstein was always deslexic even as a genius and couldn't tie his shoes until the day he died. His dislexic is not an illness, it's our perception of his differences that have labeled him as such. Perhaps we are dislexic and Einstein is the genious? Perhaps being able to tie ones shoes is a dangerous mental illness that deviate brain energy from more important things.

What are you saying...So we may re-educate?????. Who may re-educate. I'm sorry, but you are neither deslixic nor bipolar and thus there is nothing genius about you. You are an average boring bear Cris, with no mental access to innovation or creativity. I'm sad to annouce that you're normal.

 

Flores,

Your tendency to throw baseless personal insults at those who disagree with you indicates that Islam has probably had a significant negative influence on your life.

Have you ever considered adopting one of the more peaceful religions like Buddhism or Hinduism?

 

ADOPT??????
And how may I go about that adoption excatly....How old and what is the sex of Budha and Hindu exactly?......I already have two children and no more room in my house for additional guests, specially for real old grumpy dead men.

 

Flores,

You should make more use of dictionaries. It'll help you understand what others are saying, and may help prevent some of your more inapropriate comments.