Girls, Boys and Autism

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by kmguru, Sep 10, 2003.

  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Asperger's

    I have Asperger's syndrome, which is just a way of saying I'm at the mild end of the autistic spectrum and, Bebelina, it is not a choice. It is...problematic. It runs in my family, too, and although I'm more on the artistic/creative side, my father is an accomplished scientist, and my brother a talented architect, and my grandfather was a mechanical genius. Our love lives are a wreck, though!
     
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  3. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    I was talking about a choice made by the soul before the birth, not your conscious personality.

    Gendanken, I meant "wrong".
    Of course there's nothing wrong ever with people, it's just an expression.

     
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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    If the soul did not yet possess a brain, how could it make a choice? What about the genetic factor?

    ...and it is perhaps overly simplistic to think that autistics use intellect rather than emotion. It is not an either/or type of situation. Autistic people are very emotional, but not very empathic. We use logic to figure out social rules, but we do fall in love, too.
     
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  7. Bebelina kospla.com Valued Senior Member

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    Yes Spidergoat, I know that. The main focus seems to be on the intellect though, not saying that emotions are ruled out by that.

    Perhaps we have a different definition of what a soul is then?
    For me, it's a non physical being to begin with and then when it feels the need to experience something within the physical reality it constructs a body and personality just suited for what it wants to expereince.
    What's your definition?

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  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    hey bebe

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    Yes, I guess there are many different ideas about the soul. For me, it is one's personality, shaped by experience, that determines wants and desires, and cannot exist outside of the body. For me there is only one thing: body/environment, with no real boundries. How can there be a personality before there are any experiences to shape it?, unless the soul had a previous life. Your idea proposes that we are divided into two parts, each with distinct wants and desires. If that were true, it would seem that we could get in touch with the soul, and find out what it is like to exist before we are born. What about people born with severe defects and mental handicaps? Did their soul want to experince that? Sounds pretty unbelievable.

    Even beyond that, you imply that people are constructed by a mind, presumably from existing parts. I think this is a common conception in judeo-christian thought. I find it more believable that we grow like a leaf from a tree, from the smallest speck outward, rather than from the outside assembled. It is a big difference between eastern and western philosophy. If I had to define the soul, I would say that it is a concept based on the alienation in the western world of people from nature.
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    ok, maybe I am intellectual!
     
  10. valentino Registered Senior Member

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    I got a score of thirty-one. I don't consider myself unfeeling however, I just don't like socializing except with very few people. I think the test was imperfect in that regards.
     
  11. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    There is a lot of low quality speculation and extensive use of metaphors in this link , which is typical of many psychologists .

    Autism has been linked to mercury poisoning by some researchers . The symptoms are very similar and have a high possible corelation to vaccines containing mercurial componds .

    There are however , conflicting opinions as to causation at this time .
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    valentino,
    It is a misunderstanding of autism to say that they are unfeeling, they often have very strong feelings, but they are seldom directed outward in a social way. There is actually no existing test for autism. It is determined by evaluating the patient in a subjective way using a set of diagnostic criteria that have developed over time.
     
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    Yeah, I guess I used the wrong wording then, interesting link.
     
  15. Abnak Registered Senior Member

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    Checking the DSM-IV(r) , the diagnostic criteria for autism contains the same , or very similar wording as a person suffering from mercury poisoning . How can a scientist differentiate ? Relying entirely on a psychologists Subjective interpretation , seems insufficient and unscientific .

    Many may be content on thinking that these people did not experience mercury exposure and accumulation in their developing bodies . The first article offers the conjecture that this is just an extention of "male behaviour " , I however , need something that is not entirerly based on opinion ...you know something more scientific .

    http://www.autism-mercury.com/html/mercury.HTM

    http://www.redflagsweekly.com/conferences/vaccines/oct18_Regush.html
     
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  16. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    If autism is caused by an inability of the body to excrete mercury compounds, how do you explain Aspergers Syndrome, a form of autism without mental retardation, that can be accompanied by higher than average intelligence?
     

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