Who are the Palestinians? One of the most misunderstood issues today is the question of "Who are the Palestinians"? The truth about this matter has been so deliberately obscured that even to raise the question will seem strange to most readers. The land of Israel became known as Palestine after the Roman destruction of Israel in A.D. 70. It was ruled by many different invaders for the following 19 centuries. In the 7th century, the Muslims took control of Palestine for the first time. From A.D. 635 until 1917, the Muslims ruled it, with only a few interruptions by the European Crusaders. During that span of time, the land was reduced to total desolation. Many people who traveled the land in the 19th century remarked on the fact that Palestine was as desolate as the moon and very few people lived there. In 1867, Mark Twain remarked about his visit to the Holy Land in his book, "The Innocents Abroad." He lamented, "Stirring scenes occur in the valley [of Jezreel] no more. There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent – not for 30 miles in either direction. There are two or three small clusters of Bedouin tents, but not a single permanent habitation. One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings." By all eyewitness accounts of that era, Palestine was a total desolation. There were virtually no trees and no people. Because of lack of trees, the weather changed and it rarely ever rained. The irrigation systems of the once fertile valleys were all destroyed, rendering most areas into malaria-ridden swamps. The terraces of the mountainsides were torn down, causing terrible erosion that left only barren rocks. This was the condition of Palestine by the beginning of the 19th century. It was at this time that Jews began to flee severe persecutions in Russia and Eastern Europe. In the mid-1800s, some Jews came to Palestine and, with the generous aid of some successful Jews like the Rothschilds, began to buy property from Muslim Ottoman Turks. The Muslims thought the land was worthless anyway, so they sold it to the "dumb Jews" for extremely inflated prices. To everyone's amazement, the Jews were very successful at reclaiming the land. Many of them died from malaria and the rigorous life the work demanded, but they performed an agricultural miracle that made the land very productive again. As a result of their success, poor migrant workers from the surrounding Muslim countries began to flood in to work for the Jews. The Jews literally became victims of their own success – almost all of the people calling themselves "Palestinians" today are the descendants of those migrant workers. The main point is this: The Muslims have repeatedly shown they understand these things. Since they know that the so-called "Palestinians" are not a homogeneous people, but rather a mixed conglomerate of workers with no cohesive organizational or political skills, they have repeatedly not given them a state. When the Hashemite Tribe, who were rulers over Mecca and Medina for centuries, were driven out by the Saudis, the British gave them control over the vastly greater numbers of "migrant workers" in Trans Jordan. The British said this would be, in effect, "The State of Palestine." Instead, the Hashemites, who make up only about 20 percent of the population, turned it into their own kingdom and called it the Kingdom of Jordan. When the Jordanians and Egyptians controlled the so-called West Bank and the Gaza Strip for 19 years (1948 to 1967), there was never a thought of giving the disorganized mass of "migrant workers" a state. Why? Because they knew there was no cohesive, homogeneous people known as "Palestinians." The current efforts of Jordan and Egypt (and all the rest of the Muslim Middle East nations) to give these same people a state is clearly a ploy to get a foothold inside Israel. It is a strategic accommodation to establish a base from which the final assault against Israel can be made. What they couldn't do militarily is now being facilitated through the United States and the E.U. Muslims will never accept a permanent presence of infidels in what they claim is sacred Islamic soil. Especially Jewish infidels for which the Koran reserves its most vehement condemnations. In their minds, the Koran and Allah will not let them accept Jews in what they view as their third holiest site. The United States had better learn these things, or we will find ourselves guilty of facilitating the destruction of God's people, to whom the Word of God says the land belongs forever. God will not let that happen, but He will certainly judge those who have any part in trying to do it. God warned: "Therefore thus says the Lord God: 'Surely I have spoken in My burning jealousy against the rest of the nations and against all Edom [Arabs], who took MY LAND to themselves as a possession, with whole-hearted joy and spiteful minds, in order to plunder its open country ... But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to MY PEOPLE ISRAEL, for they are about to come.'" (Ezekiel 36: 5, 8 NKJ)
There are NO palestinians, there are only just a few henchmen of terrorist arafat, but he will be banned soon, problem solved... Oh, and what about the old Phillistines?, what about the town of Jericho ???? This history forgery as done by both bible and koran is just plain pathetic claimstaking and it does not make anything morally just at all..
For someone to make a forgery, there needs to be motivation, especially of documents as sophisticated as the Old Testament. A forgery carried on by multiple authors or a period of millenia? We have documents that go back over 1600 years, hundreds of years before the Koran was written. So there wasn't much competition for the land.
Sophisticated? ..If you wanna talk about Jew’s handmade real-state or land ownership certificate, you must only read the Old Testament. Easy to read and easy to understand… but only to and for religious merits. If you are remotely trying to lecture on world history,… Keep the Old Testament for yourself. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
You are quite obviously unfamiliar with the text, to say such blasphemous words. Written over a period of about 900 years by around 20 separate authors, all pointing towards the same message. Sin is in the world. Only the sheeding of innocent blood will take care of that sin, and Messiah is coming twice to take care of all of that.
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! U are a funny man, . *. Only the sheeding of innocent blood will take care of that sin, and Messiah is coming twice to take care of all of that. ** hahaha.. are you doing it on purpose?
Who are the Palestinians? I believe that would be part of the Palestinian Question We can see that the spirit of Golda has returned . Let first be known that this is typical , very typical zionist propaganda , which is the reason I have dealt with it already in my thread before you came to the idea to "write" this post . Who are responsible for "all eyewitness accounts" ? Mark Twain ? Is this a joke or something ? Its a shame for your case that the documents of the Ottoman empire show there were 411.000 peoples in the province Filisteen while there were 553.000 in 1890 . I dont think Mark Twain's left-right 30 miles yadayada has any value in the reality of Palestinian inhabitation . And indeed Ottoman Turks sold Arab land to zionists , indeed they thought "dumb Jews" as you see it is not Turkey having somuch an issue with Israel today . The land was Arab , the inhabitants were Arab : Muslim & Christian . Its like reading the "Jewish encyclopedia" at http://www.us-israel.org , but no again documents disprove the assertion that todays inhabitants are decendand of Arab immigrants to Palestine . What truly is wonderfull is that this , ofcourse as it is mass-propaganda by zionism , has been dealt with in my thread the Palestinian Question . In the Ottoman and Mandate periods, migration was a minor factor in the demographic makeup of the Muslim and Christian (though obviously not the Jewish) population of Palestine. Although there was a certain amount of seasonal labor migration to and from Palestine, analysis of Ottoman statistics (McCarthy, 1990) yields evidence of little permanent migration of Arabs into or out of Palestine from 1860 to 1914. Mandate authorities did not record migration properly before 1932; non-Jewish immigration was recorded fairly well, but not emigration. Statistics indicate that only 838 more Muslims entered Palestine than left from 1932 to 1946. I understand that you might question the fast growth , others have done so before you and already has the issue been dealt with : Since the middle of the nineteenth century, and probably long before, the proportion of children born to the Palestinian Arabs-their fertility-has been among the highest recorded for any population. The average number of children born to a Palestinian woman who lived through her childbearing years (the total fertility rate [TFR]) was slightly more than 7. The high fertility of Palestinians living in Palestine remained constant from Ottoman times until the late 1970s, when it began to diverge by regions If giving Arabs a state depended on homogenious makeover none of the Arab states of today would exist . Syria is not homgenous , Iraq is not homogenous , Maghrib is not homogenous etc etc . Yes the Palestinians are quite homogenious when they fall into that interesting region of "Hashemite" given by the Brits : http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=408211.jpg Interesting how they are " not homogenic" as they are racially about the same as the Syrians and Iraqi in that "Hashemite" era . What do Hashemite tribesman have to do with the ethnical makeover of this region ? They administrate they dont represent . But the most interesting thing is that there is no Hashemitic race or what you try to fantasize here , do you think Abdi differs in race with the North Iraq and Syrians and Palestinians ? You must be joking have you ever been to the region ? And this all in contrast to the Jews ? That must be the greatest joke ever where is it that u have found homogenus exactly ? Between the Mizrahi and the Falasmuri and the Ashkenazi ? Have you ever looked at them ? 700.000 peoples who were ethnically cleansed were no migrant workers as has been proved , they did not get a state for the same reason they do not get one today . Arab leaders do not even care for their own population do you think they care for Palestinians ? If there was a Palestinian state , there was no longer a stake against Israel , then there was no longer denying your own problems through pointing at Israel . Those are the reasons Palestinians do not have a state , dont mix up your distorted racial fantasies about migrants , none of it has anything it can stand on . Oh my God you must be Jack , are you kidding me Mubarak and Abdi kiss the ground zionist walk on . Have you got any idea of Arab politics at all ? Hardly anybody who runs the Arab nations involved can call himself Muslim or has any Islamic ideals ...... why do you think the opposition in the Arab world is Islamic ? SYRIA ALLIED WITH CHRISTIANS AGAINST MUSLIMS IN LEBANON !!!! You have absolutely no idea whatsoever about Arabism and Arab politics especially when it comes to the issue of religion . Did you know btw that half of the ARABS living in Palestine in the 1840's were Christian ? Why is this ignored ? Are you actually thinking this is a religious struggle ? Ofcourse you are , you are Jack Van Impe . A racial struggle with a multi-racial identity based on a religious fight with a secular idenity . Beautifull Im sorry but Gods peoples aint there , not racially nor religiously . How are Arabs edom ? Tell us all about Jack And tell me how exactly Germans are Israel . And what about Arab-Jews ? What are they ? Israedom ? Say Biblethumper , do you think it was a responsible thing for you to deal with scriptures ?
I think that one of the most ignored facts is just how many people in the West Bank and Gaza are Christians. Does Biblethumper understand that some of the people the government wants to oust are Christians that they have forced from their ancesteral homes?
In 1947, there were 350,000 Christians in Palestine. Jointly with Muslims they opposed the partition of Palestine, and called for the independence of Palestine as a democratic state where all its citizens, Muslim, Christians and Jews, could participate in the government of the country. On March 3, 1948, representatives of the eleven Christian denominations in Palestine, namely : the Orthodox Patriarchate, the Latin Patriarchate, the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate, the Custodian de Terra Santa, the Coptic Patriarchate, the Vicar of Melkite Patriarchate, Metropolitan of the Syriac Orthodox Community, the Vicar of the Armenian Catholic Patriarchate, the Arab Evangelical Episcopal Community, the Vicar of the Syriac Catholic Patriarchate, and the Arab Lutheran Community in Palestine , made an appeal to the United Nations and to the world religious and political bodies in which they stated: It is our firm conviction that peace will not be restored nor would any endeavors made for the promotion of the “peace of Jerusalem” be crowed with success, unless those bodies who undertake the determination of the future of Palestine would remove the causes which have made a battlefield of the Holy Land. Reestablish the principles of justice and maintain the right of self-determination as envisaged in the Charter of the United Nations Organization.The Christian Union wished to declare, in unequivocal terms, that they denounce the partition plan, being of the strong conviction that this plan involves a violation of the sacredness of the Holy Land which, by its nature and history, is indivisible, and represents an encroachment on the natural rights of the Arab, the people of the country. Crimes against Christianity What is truly sad is that the conflict develops (and has developped through zionist steering) itself into religious extremicy , leaving no place for the Christian Arabs and other Arab minorities . The Arab Christians of Palestine are a community that may no survive another decade as they are leaving
