most innovative artists of the last decade

Tyler:
Almost all innovation in metal in the last ten years has been Norweigen/Swedish bands like Emperor, Ildjarn, Burzum, Mayhem. American metal is becoming dominated by idiot "nu-metal" and goth bands, and even the good bands aren't particularly innovative.

Sadist is Italian, though. I find Tommy Talamanca's integration of punk structures into death/atmospheric black metal to be quite interesting, and the man is a godly fucking keyboardist.

Master is American. Hmmm.

 

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Some american metal innovators for you doods:

Immolation
Suffocation

Suffocation mostly covered the percussive side of death metal during their reign, while the last two Immolation albums have been godlike. I suppose you could also throw in Brutal Truth and Autopsy as innovative american death metallers.

 

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Interesting that black metal is primarily European but death metal is very American.
There's something in American culture that needs death/thrash.

 

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Sure the 'stripes use very basic progressions..but I dare you to find someone in the last ten years who can record a lyrical/sonic masterpiece like Elephant on analog equipment..with massive reverb and blues solos done like garage rock thunder and be massively cool when they do it.

..And Xev, honeyspeckle, what is so wrong with pop music?

Every band that was ever influential was a pop band.

 

"but I dare you to find someone in the last ten years who can record a lyrical/sonic masterpiece like Elephant on analog equipment"

First of all, I see nothing masterful about the lyrics or music of White Stripes. Like I said - it's very, very basic music. It's the kind of progression and rock that you can learn how to write at guitar lessons, and therefore not at all innovative. Secondly, yes I can find such a band - MMW, the band I mentioned. Or for that matter, early Phish.


"with massive reverb and blues solos done like garage rock thunder and be massively cool when they do it."

Their "blues solos" are all extremely basic though! Nothing innovative! That's exactly the point - they are basic garage rock. They may be cool to you (and many others), but not innovative.


"Every band that was ever influential was a pop band"

Complete bullshit. I don't even know how you managed to write that.

 

Shawn fanning.......changed piracy for all of us...an artist in his own rights.

 

There is nothing 'innovative' about pop music despite what EmptyV and VH1 wants you to think. There used to be a song called 'I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be Soldier' that was thought to be innovative. It gets no airplay today.

Innovators of 90s:


1. Burzum- No introduction needed. The name speaks for itself.

2. Emperor- A perfect synthesis of death metal with romanticism. While other bands such as Mayhem and Tiamat first invoked the idea, Emperor pulled it off in one the most aggressive and haunting acts ever: "In The Nighside Eclipse." Simple, raw, unforgiving, this record stays in the back of the mind for years. Unfortunately this provided the platform for endless copycats and genre stagnation.

3. Nirvania- Not a big fan of them, but they took an old form of rock and minimalized it into grunge.

4. Suffocation- Took DM in a whole new entertaining direction with trademark styles that would result in unfortunate genre stagnation.

5. Athiest- Excellent fusion of Death with Jazz.

4. Dr. Dre- Hip-hop is garbage, but for what it's worth Dre took a slow and stale genre and made it faster and more aggressive on 'The Chronic'. I feel stupid posting this.

I must say I am very dissapointed with the music of the last century. Other than James Horner and other film composers, I don't see much in the way of reviving the classical era.

 

The defininition of a 'pop band' is a group of musicicans that create and perform music that appeals to a large band of people and is, in effect 'popular'.



And, buddy, the bottom line is that if no one hears your music..you cant influence anyone.

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Example One: The Beatles
Example Two: The Beatles
Example Three: The Beatles

so forth and so on..


Unreg

 

N.W.A, Greenday, Spike Lee, James Cameron, George Lucas, Pixar geeks, Radiohead,....

 

"And, buddy, the bottom line is that if no one hears your music..you cant influence anyone"

MMW != pop. They've influenced hoards of jazz musicians.
Phish != pop. They've influenced thousands of musicians.

How about Led Zeppelin? Do you classify them as pop? Do you classify Zappa as pop? Do you classify Stevie Ray Vaughan as pop? Do you classify Emperor as pop?

Out of curiosity - are you really willing to say that none of Zeppelin, Zappa, Stevie and Aemperor are influential?

Dude, get a life. Either you have to classify every single musical act with a fan as 'pop' - or realize that something doesn't have to be pop to be influential.

In fact, if you want to call 'pop' anyone that "create(s) and perform(s) music that appeals to a large band of people" - Beethovan is pop. In actual fact Unregistered, what you've just done (by using "pop" to describe anything with fans) is made every single musical genre disappear. Death metal? No, not if they have fans - they're pop! Jazz? Fuck no, it's all pop!

Sorry man, "pop" nowadays as a music genre has come to mean more than just "popular". Ask any one of the many metalheads how popular Opeth or old In Flames is - and I'm fairly certain most music critics wouldn't classify them as "pop".

 

I forgot about Prog Rock. I'm not too familiar with Prog, but I do think Queensyrche were influential. I might be wrong.

 

Popular bands..are influential. To be 'influential' you have to make your mark on the 'people', the 'majority'.

Led Zeppelin was mainstream music, and downright fucking popular music. They weren't innovative--all they did was take blues progressions and 'southern' rock n' roll music and magnify it tenfold. Everyone liked Led Zeppelin--they were 'pop' musicians. Pop music is completely, completely, relative. In its own intrinsic nature.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Was he not popular?

Were they not popular?

They are extraordinary influential.

Thats why I produce a paltry 0.36 posts a day, while you churn out a whoppin' 6.81.

I think you are using pop as a scapegoat for lesser grade tunes. Pop is short for a much, much longer word...


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pop·u·lar ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ppy-lr)
adj.
Widely liked or appreciated: a popular resort.
Liked by acquaintances; sought after for company: “Beware of over-great pleasure in being popular or even beloved” (Margaret Fuller).
Of, representing, or carried on by the people at large: the popular vote.
Fit for, adapted to, or reflecting the taste of the people at large: popular entertainment; popular science.
Accepted by or prevalent among the people in general: a popular misunderstanding of the issue.
Suited to or within the means of ordinary people: popular prices.
Originating among the people: popular legend.


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popular

\Pop"u*lar\, a. [L. popularis, fr. populus people: cf. F. populaire. See People.] 1. Of or pertaining to the common people, or to the whole body of the people, as distinguished from a select portion; as, the popular voice; popular elections. ``Popular states.'' --Bacon. ``So the popular vote inclines.'' --Milton.

The men commonly held in popular estimation are greatest at a distance. --J. H. Newman.

2. Suitable to common people; easy to be comprehended; not abstruse; familiar; plain.

Homilies are plain popular instructions. --Hooker.

3. Adapted to the means of the common people; possessed or obtainable by the many; hence, cheap; common; ordinary; inferior; as, popular prices; popular amusements.

The smallest figs, called popular figs, . . . are, of all others, the basest and of least account. --Holland.

4. Beloved or approved by the people; pleasing to people in general, or to many people; as, a popular preacher; a popular law; a popular administration.

5. Devoted to the common people; studious of the favor of the populace. [R.]

Such popular humanity is treason. --Addison.

6. Prevailing among the people; epidemic; as, a popular disease. [Obs.] --Johnson.

Popular action (Law), an action in which any person may sue for penalty imposed by statute. --Blackstone.


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popular

adj 1: regarded with great favor, approval, or affection especially by the general public; "a popular tourist attraction"; "a popular girl"; "cabbage patch dolls are no longer popular" [ant: unpopular] 2: carried on by or for the people (or citizens) at large; "the popular vote"; "popular representation"; "institutions of popular government" 3: representing or appealing to or adapted for the benefit of the people at large; "democratic art forms"; "a democratic or popular movement"; "popular thought"; "popular science"; "popular fiction" [syn: democratic] 4: comprehensible to the general public; "written for the popular press in plain nontechnical language" [syn: plain] 5: (of music or art) new and of general appeal (especially among young people) [syn: pop]


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...I hope that helped

Good, good! Pop is relative to the times--in his hayday, Mozart was relative to the Beatles, while Beethoven is equivalent to our modern Nirvana. And, maybe, just maybe, J.C. Bach was the Baroque incarnation of our very own J.C. Chasez.

Pop only describes 'the majority', or the greatest number of people. In the 70's many people listened to contemporary Jazz, but many more listened to Led Zeppelin. Therefore Led Zeppelin is pop; and jazz...is well, jazz. Which is the way its been since the 20's and 30's..before those durned rock n' rollers took control

People may like Death Metal, but obviously not enough to have a majority!

Jazz? Fuck no, its all jazz!

 

Lest we forget that Haydn did his fair share of conforming to audience demands.

And Horner and his ilk are not representative of the direction orchestral music is heading. John Adams, Philip Glass, John Cage, etc. are all making good music that is at once classically complex and accesible. Of course, no one is rioting over them- but they've had their own success.

Orchestral music has been made a fringe element- no longer 'pop', as it was in the 1700's; but the music is still great.

 

It's an off comment that barely concerns me. In my eyes all of these 'new' composers suck. Consumer junk.

 

Consumer junk.


...We live in a consumeristic culture. Every composer is targeted to the consumers, or else he's not doing his job.

 

Then you must never have heard Adams' Naive and Sentimental Music. It isn't The Rite of Spring, but it's a great piece of music.

Yeah, most of Glass' stuff is crap, though.

Well, U-REG, I would hope that while any artist should value the money their art produces, the furthering of their own artistic vision should come ahead of making money. Creativite realisation is the profit of the artist, and while no art exists without money, great artists have been, and always will be uncompromising, which means that greatness is either noticed or overlooked, but exists even if it never makes a penny.

 

(A few of a small many)

Music:

Burzum
Emperor
MZ 412
Absurd
Lord Wind
Godflesh
K.K. Null

The question is really, who would I pick from literature - and would I pick anyone?

 

One vein of thought is that when Celtic Frost, Sodom and Bathory created black/death metal around 1983-84, they produced a proto-modern-blackmetal sound which was dumbed down by American bands into death metal.

These are some useful recordings:

Bathory - The Return
Celtic Frost - Morbid Tales

Contrast with American (north/south) style death/black metal:

Sepultura - Morbid Visions/Sarcofago - INRI
Possessed - Seven Churches
Slayer - Hell Awaits

And of course the Norwegians renovated the genre entirely 1990-1995:

Burzum - Filosofem
Ildjarn - Ildjarn
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Enslaved - Vikinglgr Veldi
Gorgoroth - Antichrist

 

And of course the Norwegians renovated the genre entirely 1990-1995:

Burzum - Filosofem
Ildjarn - Ildjarn
Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
Enslaved - Vikinglgr Veldi
Gorgoroth - Antichrist


Oh...yes, they reinvented the genre. ...Now tell me again why I haven't heard of them?


Innovative metal in example: Black Sabbath. Pure mastery of their instruments, style, and limitations make them the only metal band you ever need to know.

Read:

F-ing incredible rhythm lead by Terry Butler bass work, Tony Iommi's gravity defying guitar solos, and Ozzy's simply brilliant lyrics and song writing capability.

Thats the bottom line.


u-reg

 

There is no lead guitar.

Adam plays the rythm guitar as if he were playing a bass.

Justin plays the bass as if it were the lead guitar parts.

That is a big part of what gives them their distinctive and, yes, innovative sound.

(I was told Adam actually WAS a bass player and Paul was a guitar player and they switched that is why they play it like that, but I can't attest to that)