Did you read all of my posts? Because i stated that if matter was brought down to a frozen temperature that the rate of decay would slow. But it still decays. Is atomic decay considered chemistry? Yes its different but it is still degrading vice the original state. Is atomic decay a radical change in state? Here a thought though what about space? Could it be that worm holes are forms of cosmic decay in the fabric? If they exist of course. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. Some people try learn from the Zeno's arrow paradox. Some try to live in it and they never seem to spot an obvious joke thread... Oh well, it might get funny! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! 'Time, we know, is relative. You can travel light years through the stars and back, and if you do it at the speed of light then, when you return, you may have aged mere seconds while your twin brother or sister will have aged twenty, thirty, forty or however many years it is, depending on how far you traveled.This will come to you as a profound shock, particularly if you didn't know you had a twin brother or sister.' Douglas Adams
Re: Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. Without traveling at light speed, one can be born on 07/31/03 and die on 07/30/03. Without traveling light speed, the length of one's life depends on where they are born and where they die in terms of time zones: Death certificates report time of death in terms of local time. JMG.
GodLied - You're merely using a linguistic syntax to try to disprove math. "dd/mm/yy" isn't a form of time Neither is 12 o clock - neither is "later tonight" These have NOTHING to do with time at all. You're making a sick mistake, it's embarassing wipe yourself up.
Dates and times have nothing to do with time? If not, then lingo of time has nothing to do with time and time is itself an indescribable condition, for you. As much as you might not like it, a baby can be born alive today and die yesterday depending on which time zone the baby is born and dead in. In such cases, a baby will have a negative lifetime. They will be alive minus one day. That is the reality of time. For truth in fact, the headstone will show the infant as living minus one day. It might appear strange, but it would be factually true. JMG.
-1 day old? Not possible considering the incubation of the child. the child would simple be dead after a day. Because that change into another zone does not mean that the one day the child was born is gone. It still was in a period of living for its life cycle. I don't see how time can be considered an acurate dimesion. Now if it was possible to go through a worm hole and come out you might see yourself going into the hole. Does that mean you lost the time? Technicall yes but no as well. Your body will still act as if that time has passed. The only way to get close to timelessness is preservation. If the rate of decay on your body, the car your driving, etc were slowed then when you went thought the worm hole perhaps maybe then youd truly lose time. If you think about it time is based off our deaths and births. In prehistoric times they didn't know of 10:00pm. They knew when Glok the nasty set his behind on fire. Thats why i say that decay is more like time then time is. In truth when you move from one time zone from another you didn't lose an hour. In truth you didn't gain one. I mean you gained more darkness or more light but you didn't gain an additional hour to live. Can anyone see my point? :bugeye:
GodLieb, That is why relativity invented the idea of "proper time". Google on it & learn why your idea of time is flawed from a physical point of view. Bye! Crisp
GodLied, the error in your approach is that you're assuming something in one place, but conveniently ignoring it elsewhere. If time depends on what time zone you're in, then you have to include that time zone in the description whenever you reference a time. It's perfectly logical that a baby can be born at 1:00 AM 7/31/03 GMT and die at 11:00 PM 7/30/03 PST. Nobody will argue with you about that. But at this point, you drop the time zones and say 11:00 PM 7/30/03 occurs before 1:00 AM 7/31/03, and therefore the baby died 'before' it was born. You can't do that and still have a logical argument. To go back to one of your earlier posts, you say: For one thing, GMT is a local time. People that live in Greenwich, England live by GMT. We just happen to use it as a basis of reference. And again, this suffers from the same problem as I mentioned above. If I was born at 6:00 PM EST, then the only time I can celebrate my birthday (rightly) is at 6:00 PM EST. I can go to California and celebrate it at 3:00 PST if I'd like, or England at 11:00 PM GMT. But once 6:00 PM PST rolls around, I can no longer celebrate my time of birth. I was born at 6:00 PM EST, and now it's 9:00 PM EST. Since I have a sinking feeling this isn't going to penetrate, can someone let me know if there's a way I can regain the time I spent posting this? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
On one clock the child will be alive for less than a day but by dying in a time zone of the prior day, the headstone which does not state GMT of death, will state the dates of birth and death. Such a headstone will show the baby as living minus one day. This can happen anywhere adjacent time zones are on different days. As strange as it is, it is true that an infant can have a negative recorded lifetime and a positive actual length of life. JMG.
If reality is convenient, so be it. Without doubt a person could be born 12:20 AM Mountain Standard Time 07/31/03 and die 11:45PM PST 07/30/03. That baby would have lived 25 minutes but the headstone will read the lifetime as 7/31/03 to 7/30/03. Most people celebrate birthdays on the day of birth, not the GMT and date of birth. Date in celebrating birthdays is more relevant than time of birth. Any day is observed in 24 time zones. One can have a birthday On 7/30/03 in one time zone, move to the next time zone that is still experiencing 7/29/30, celebrate his birthday when that time zone experiences 7/30/03 and so on and so forth. Such a person will celebrate the same birthday up to 24 times. All they have to do is travel though time zones to exist in the day of birth and exist prior to the day of birth. JMG.
Every town had their own clocks. The clocks were either set at noon or sunrise. Hilo, HI, has a relic sundial that was used to set clocks. Because each town was set to its own time, a persons life can be misrepresented depending on the time difference between place of birth and place of death. JMG.
Oh in the case of two babies, each going to the other's time zone, could be alive the same length of time but their headstones could read one as two days old and the other as minus one days old even though they were each only alive 30 minutes. JMG.
Crisp, you are fried. Death certificates are issued locally in local time not in GMT. They are issued with the local date not the date in some other part of the world. Everyone who dies out of the timezone they are born in will have a misrepresented length of life. That is reality. It allows for infants alive for 30 minutes to either be represented as -1, 1, or 2 days old depending on their timezone of death. Clearly three babies will be alive each for 30 minutes and should be noted as living only one day; however, depending on where they die they can all have different lengths of life on their headstones. In the case of adult headstones that might only put age on the headstone, the timezone of death can alter the length of life by a year. JMG.
Godlied, You seem to be missing the point of all those trying to reverse your twisted sense of time. Proper time is not set on time zones or local times. It has nothig to with them. Time zones only exist so that we don't have to get up at 2:00 am to see the sunrise. They are fabrications of man having no physical underpinnings or any effect whatsoever on actual time. While being born in one time zone and dieing in another may effect what is written on your tombstone, it will not effectively change how long you were alive. Truly, there may be an illusion of a child being -1 days old, but that really doesn't matter. The fact is that he was alive for a certain length of time and regardless of man-made time zones he is that old. If you want ot get really specific, the act of traveling between your time zones defrauds your true age by millionths of a second. For, every time you move, time passes for you at a slightly different rate. So, the only way to accurately detail the length of a mans life is to affix a clock to him that kept his time by means of a light pulse clock. Do you see how arbitrary and trite any concerns over the time zone the man was born and died in truly is?
Well, I thought I would give it a shot even though I had a feeling it wouldn't do any good. Save your breath, Upquark. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Truly there is a fact that a child could be 30 minutes old and noted -1 days old on a tombstone. For the tombstone lifetime to be an illusion, every tombstone timeline is an illusion. Since everyone, according to you, ages less when in motion, nobody is their true age. Pilots must age the slowest. Do pilots then shave less frequently, live significantly longer lives, and have shifted mortality tables because of their frequent flying? Do airline stewardesses then have longer menstrual cycles on average than desk job people who do not move much? Will a pregnant woman in Japan give birth later if she rides a bullet train twice every day than if she worked at home and had people deliver commodities to her home so she never needed to leave home? Show me the data. Generate significant differences to prove your point. Oh, if motion relates to rate of aging, our body parts age at different rates. Do we then take the average age of a person's parts to determine their age? JMG.
GodLied is a good example of someone having no idea what the hell they're talking about. There's nothing worse than an intellectual with no intelligent and no knowledge on what they're saying. Get a freakin clue. Time is a dimension. It has NOTHING to do with time zones or clocks or stopwatches.. God damn man - just god damn. A freakin headstone on a grave has nothing to do with time - you're just ......wow.......make me look good. Don't even know where to begin - your whole idea is just stupid.
So what you are saying is that you did not google for proper time. Ok, I don't care anyway. Bye! Crisp
You need to be traveling at some percentage of light speed to actually have a major effect. Pilots are younger by milliseconds at most after flying their entire life. Even astronauts in orbit for extended periods arent really affected by relativity. They're just going too damn slow. I think everyone is right. You REALLY need to get a clue about some things before calling us out. You don't really have a grasp of proper time.
