Death/Black Metal

Discussion in 'Art & Culture' started by -iLluSiON-, Jul 7, 2003.

  1. -iLluSiON- Registered Senior Member

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    I'm just wondering, who here listens to Death and Black metal? I know I'm not the only one...
     
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  3. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Favorite band?
    I adore Sadist (Tommy Talamanca is fucking God!), Slayer, Therion, some Rotting Christ....well, too many to count.
     
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  5. plasticwingsmelting Banned Banned

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    I'm not into much DM, but I like Black Metal:

    Limbonic Art, Mayhem, Dissection, Darkthrone...


    I don't like Cradle of Filth.
     
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  7. Ghassan Kanafani Mujahid Registered Senior Member

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    Slayers cool but rather when they dont play deathmetal .

    Ever heard of Undisputed Attitude ?

    Blackmetal ........ yukkie
     
  8. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    Gotta make this fast, but...

    The guy I'm rooming with here considers Slayer to be pop-metal. I'm engrossed in the hardest motherfucking metal imaginable. Some of the softer stuff is wicked, and I can appreciate some of the ridiculous stuff. I find Slayer to be an ice middle ground.

    Anyway, I went to a local metal show here the other night. You people - metalheads - are a fucked up bunch.
     
  9. BloodSuckingGerbile Master of Puppets Registered Senior Member

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    METAL RULEZ!!!!!!!!

    Right now I mainly listen to Children of Bodom and In Flames coz they compose guitar symphonies. The most beautiful guitar rifs and solos I've ever heard.
    Also: Rhapsody (not exactly death, but very melodic medieval metal)
    Behemoth, Dimmu Borgir, Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus...
     
  10. plasticwingsmelting Banned Banned

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    I may be seeing In Flames tonight.



    Check out Bane. Not the hardcore band. There's an extreme death metal band called Bane. Look for them. SICK FUCKERS!

    Also check out Sublime Cadaveric Decomposition. Some of the most fucked up grind I've heard.
     
  11. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Tyler:
    Slayer is pretty much straight up thrash. I wouldn't go so far as calling it "pop" - it's nice and pretty easy listening, but also decent for headbanging.

    plasticwingsmelting:
    I like everything up to Midian. After that they lost something. Now they just sound like Dimmu Borgir.

    I like Dimmu, but Dimmu and CoF are turning into pop.

    Cannibal Corpse WAS good. Their ex-drummer Corpsegrinder broke away and started Six Feet Under - whom I'd consider much superiour.

    In Flames is good, but to me a bit too standard. Nice though - Jester Race and Whoracle were rather nice ear candy albums.
     
  12. BloodSuckingGerbile Master of Puppets Registered Senior Member

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    Wow dude. Where are they performing?
     
  13. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Drain sth

    I'm never sure whether you're supposed to take the whole Death Metal/Black Metal/Goth thing seriously. I mean as far as I can tell the only people who did were the Columbine Corpses.

    So I don't take this stuff any more seriously than I did Black Sabbath and Blue Oyster Cult 30 years ago. I just enjoy listening to it, pretty much for the same reasons, whatever those are.

    I don't know what even counts as part of the genre. Do the bands themselves have to take themselves seriously to be considered here? Marilyn Manson? Type O Negative? The only rock and rollers that I ever thought genuinely took themselves seriously were the original punk bands and they were such awful musicians that you had to believe in what they were saying just as much as they did to be able to stand it.

    Sisters of Mercy take themselves pretty seriously, are they deathly enough? "Hey now, hey now now, sing this corrosion to me." Hypnotic, my wife can listen to that one for an hour.

    But my favorite is a band that I'm sure you'll laugh at if you've even heard of them: Drain sth , all-girl Goth from Sweden. They've got the lyrics about leeches and necrophilia and people who've lost their free will and all that icky stuff. They have a great 21st-century "infrared noise" sound a la Korn, and the slightly eerie Swedish accents make it all seem so authentic. But they just can't be serious. Their latest album "Freaks of Nature" is such a damn slick production that it makes Marilyn Manson sound like a garage band. You can almost see the guys with cigars standing off to one side counting CD sales.

    So that's my vote as long as I don't have to believe in the stuff like it was a cult. It's just Ace of Base does AC/DC.
     
  14. plasticwingsmelting Banned Banned

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    Cannibal Corpse is funny. Just read their lyrics.

    And Corpsegrinder is their NEW singer. They kicked their old singer out because he's a pussy and HE started Six Feet Under. As for their drummer...I'm not sure but I think they've had the same lineup for years now.


    Six Feet Under eats ass. Just ask The Black Dahlia Murder.
     
  15. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Drummer, singer, whatever, I'm not a huge fan. Cannibal Corpse is a fucking joke.
     
  16. Shadowstrife911 Hail the Shredder! Registered Senior Member

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    On the subject of In Flames, i saw them the other night with Soilwork =)
     
  17. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    In Flames newer stuff sucks shite. Sorry, but the only good In Flames I've heard was old, and it did kick ass.

    Kyuss!!!!
     
  18. plasticwingsmelting Banned Banned

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    Cannibal Corpse makes me laugh
     
  19. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Considering that they write things like:
    "Deranged by my deviance savage goal to maim and kill
    Obsessed with my cruelty, vicious ways for me to die
    Sado-masochistic rage, horrific daze, reality
    Pleasure from sadistic intent, driven by my lust for pain
    Punishment my way of life, suffering intensifies
    Sacrifice
    Brutal frenzy, no control, perverse actions gratify
    Wretched abnormality, condoning inhumanity
    Suicide
    Carnivorous abusiveness, boiling sawn-off testicles"

    yes....I can definitely see the humour value. Dying Fetus kicks their ass.

    That said, they are innovative and technically skilled. Gwar is better for a laugh - how can you match "Fishfuck"? - but CC is good.
     
  20. plasticwingsmelting Banned Banned

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    I personally like "Fucked with a Knife" and "Addicted to Vaginal Skin"
     
  21. Christian Sodomy Registered Senior Member

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    What kind of a loser gets bitter and writes misogynistic shit like Cannibal Corpse does? They're a ripoff of a band and mediocre as individuals. Send 'em to the ovens.

    I like this death/black metal site:

    http://www.anus.com/metal/

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    I would not classify Slayer as "thrash" but as "speed metal."

    I find black metal to be the most advanced form of metal, but recommend related death metal bands such as At the Gates, Therion, Demilich, Cadaver, Dismember, Atheist, Capharnaum, Gorefest and Unleashed...

    Xev's recommendations above are quite reasonable.

    For black metal, avoid Cradle of Filth; they're not black metal (they're heavy metal). Similarly avoid Children of Bodom.

    Try these:

    1. Emperor - In the Nightside Eclipse
    2. Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger
    3. Burzum - Filosofem
    4. Graveland - Following the Voice of Blood
    5. Absurd - Asgardsrei
    6. Immortal - Pure Holocaust
    7. Ohtar - The Empire of White Power
    8. Mayhem - De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas
    9. Dimmu Borgir - Stormblast
    10. Belial - Gods of the Pit Part II

    Ignore the internet kiddies with the latest recombinant bands.
     
  22. Christian Sodomy Registered Senior Member

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    1 - Slayer is a hybrid of Discharge and Angel Witch. I'd call 'em speed metal.

    2 - COF always has been pop; Dimmu turned with Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, wouldn't you say?

    3 - Try Cianide instead of SFU. Or Asphyx. SFU and CC are a ripoff (CC = Suffocation + Morpheus Descends + Malevolent Creation ripoff).

    4 - You want Dissection, Sacramentum and early Sentenced instead.

    PS Xev if you haven't heard "Beyond Sanctorum" from Therion... it's worthy.
     
  23. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Christian Sodomy:
    Speed metal works. Slayer isn't thrash in the way that Sodom (whom I'd call the essence of thrash) is thrash.

    CoF was good pop, I will give them that. "Midian" is a good album even if COF has always been something of an act - they take themselves way too fucking seriously.

    I'd say Enthrone Darkness is the album that "made it big" for Dimmu. Yes, they turned right here.

    Don't mistake me - it's a good fucking album. But it's good pop-metal, not good metal metal.

    Children of Bodom just strikes me as a COF/Dimmu like band. I'm not qualified to say this - I haven't heard much by them - but there's just something too standard about them.

    CC is just...the "sex, blood, sadism ad infinitum" shit is annoying after a while.
    Christ, I could just snip random words out of ob-gyn texts, throw in synonyms for "sanguinary" and have CC lyrics.

    Beyond Sanctorum is fucking beautiful. Vovin is another album I'd recommend.

    Emporer is a good recommend. I'd throw in some Bathory - Bathory's Viking phase is quintessential Viking metal. Try "Blood, Fire, Death" and "Blood on Ice", "The Return" is an excellent album, and "Destroyer of Worlds" is quite decent.

    Graveland is another fucking excellent BM band that sometimes verges on Viking (more properly Nordic) metal. "In the Glare of Burning Churches" and "Thousand Swords" are excellent albums to start with.

    Ulver is worth a mention "Eight Hymns to the Wolf in Man" is quite passable.

    Old Man's Child is something of a decent band, even if standard. "Born Of The Flickering" is quite good.

    Celtic Frost deserves a mention, even if I never got into them that much. "To Mega Therion" and their last album (whose name I've forgotten) is more than decent.

    We have another poster (prozak) who writes for them, I believe. I haven't seen prozak around recently though.
     

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