*Laughs* Nice one, Jerrek. Can we get on topic and discuss guns, rather than reply to the nitwits? So anyone who can't physically fight off an attacker (a young man, an old person, a small women) should offer themselves up to rape and murder? That would please you?
I would never shoot anyone except in self-defense. Why should a criminal be entitled to a fair fight?
venomx, you said - "In my opinion if you like guns your not normal, perhaps unstable and dangerous. You like devices designed solely for killing people? You should be locked up for even thinking about it." based on the majority of your post id say we have fairly similar views on this issue so im surprised to be saying this but the quote above is, in my opinion, just non-sense. if someone uses or hopes one day to use a gun to kill someone then id agree thats unstable but saying they're unstable just because they like guns? come on! saying that just degrades the discussion to people screaming insults at each other. If your claim were true every gun owner/enthusiast would already have killed everyone else, i mean they're all "unstable". the population of the US would be cut in half overnight. Its pretty clear the majority of legal gun owners aren't running amok and dont use they're weapons for criminal purposes. sorry for ranting but, to me, the wild generalizations in your quote dont do anything but enflame the extremists on both sides of an already difficult issue.
I don't have a gun because i lack the financial backing. BTW how far can a gun shoot really...an average handgun???
What if at some point in the future it becomes necessary for you to kill an attacker to save your own life? Do you have a spare tire for your car?
Depends on what your shooting. Also it depends if your talking about, effective range: being able to actually hit your target, and just range in general: how far i can lobe this bullet. Because if you really want that bullet to go far you aim it around 45% you won't hit shit but it will go pretty far.
Another reason why I hate fucking neo-communists such as Democrats. They HATE, HATE Saturday night specials. In their mind, if guns are gonna be on sale, the poor people should not be allowed to own guns. They have some kind of weird objection to poor people buying cheap guns. Only reserved for the rich folks. Equality my ass. Fucking nitwits. No, you're a smart person because you can get rid of another piece of shit so much faster. If I see someone being raped I can put a bullet through his skull and save the woman more anguish. You standing there looking isn't gonna do a whole lot.
This thread is a good example of the paranoia which seems to be rampant in the United States, especially among gun owners. <b>Xev</b>: <i>I want a gun because the idea of being raped and killed doesn't exactly appeal to me. I mean hey, if that's your sort of thing, go for it. But I'd rather have some way to protect myself.</i> I think you're paranoid. Some questions: * Do you personally know anybody who has been raped or killed? * Do you personally know anybody who has avoided being raped or killed because they had a gun? * Do you live in a particularly dangerous area? * What makes you think that a gun would be more help than, say, a little self-defence training in hand-to-hand combat? * Are you aware that most murders are committed by people known personally to the victim? * Why do you think there are so many gun murders in the US? Could it possibly have something to do with the ready availability of guns? <i>So anyone who can't physically fight off an attacker (a young man, an old person, a small women) should offer themselves up to rape and murder? That would please you?</i> What on earth makes you think any of these people would be helped by owning a gun? Chances are, it would be taken away from them and used against them. And the criminals have guns too... <b>Thaug</b>: <i>Since people by nature like violence (there’s a reason why the matrix was popular and it wasn’t the plot) we need to arm ourselves to protect ourselves from people.</i> Who are these nameless "people" you so fear? Please also answer the questions I put to Xev, above. <i>If American society sucks so bad which nation is so much better?</i> Virtually every nation, on the basis of gun murders per capita. <i>Austrailia, UK, Sweeden, Canada all have a higher chance of you being a victume of violent crime then the United States. </i> I'm afraid I just don't believe this. Any more specific information? <i>Guns are designed to kill. Goverment is designed to oppress (whole point of police, army and laws). Should we get ride of both of them?</i> Um... government is designed to keep society stable and provide shared services to the populace. The point of police is to maintain law and order, which benefits everybody except criminals. The point of an army is to defend the country against outside threats. The point of laws is to protect citizens and grant them certain rights as agreed by the majority. You seem a little mixed up about this. I suggest you go away and find out something about government before you start criticising it. It works primarily for your benefit. <i>Would knowing Bush and Cheny had all the legal guns in the country make you feel safe?</i> Yes. <b>El Sparks</b>: First let me say that you seem like a fairly level-headed and responsible gun owner to me. I think that sports target-shooting such as you seem to be involved in is a legitimate activity, and sports target-shooters should be allowed to own guns provided they are registered and licensed. However, I would not extend that to people who go out and shoot animals for "sport". Also, I would prefer to restrict target shooting to within clubs - preferably guns should be kept there too. <i>You can't stop the criminals from getting firearms just by passing a law - look at the recent experiences in London and Austrailia for an example.</i> What particular experiences are you referring to here? Sure, hard-core criminals will always be able to get guns, but the petty criminals and street gang members have a much harder time of it when you have gun control laws. And in the domestic situation, not having a gun available greatly reduces the incidence of fatal domestic disputes. <i>I'm still fairly certain it's the lack of training requirements that cause the most problems in the states. </i> I think it is the culture of fear that is the problem. <b>Galt:</b> <i>We gun owners are generally indifferent to and respectful of the rights of those who don't want to own guns. That's their business. It's those who don't want us to own guns that piss us off.</i> This is like saying: We murderers are generally indiffeent to and respectful of the rights of those who don't want to kill people. That's their business. It's those who don't want us to kill people that piss us off. <i>All these bloodthirsty, heavily-armed Americans running about and you don't think I should be allowed to have a gun to defend myself? </i> Culture of fear. See what I mean? <b>Jerrek:</b> <i>if you can't pick up a firearm to defend your family and yourself, you are a fucking coward.</i> I don't think many people would fall into that category then, do you? But why not call the police instead of taking the law into your own vigilante hands?
Bullshit comparison. Owning a gun in and of itself doesn't violate anyone's rights. Murder does. That statement was meant to be mocking. On most occasions I feel perfectly safe.
Interesting to note that gun owners are, on average, much more civil than gun control nuts. And to answer your first query, yes, James R, I do. What a wonderfully sensitive man you are.
Yes. My one friend, a very close friend, was raped by his boss and his boss' boyfriend. He hasn't told anyone except one person, me, because I'm open about these things and I could be a friend in his time of need. Define particularly dangerous. And no I don't. But neither did my friend. Whats the point again? I'm not interested in saving a would-be rapist. I want him dead so he is no burden to society and we can cross out another piece of trash from society. Stop protecting the criminals. Yeah, why? Considering guns are quite readily available in most parts of Canada. Funny eh? Because the pizza boy is faster than the cops. And I'm not interested in having another group of people take care of my problems. If I find you raping a person, or if you try to kill me, you will end up quite dead.
If you are in imminent danger, why should you stand around waiting for the police instead of defending yourself?
I greatly enjoyed your post and i must say you made a rather good argument but i fail to agree with that statement you made above. In urban areas...(New York will be the city i shall refer to here) the police can take quite a bit of time to show. It's a sad fact but barely the police fault that sometimes in some well known notorious areas on the NY streets gun violence erupts because the street police refuses to go there due to the fear of their own safety. I don't think the city would send a more stronger force everytime a shot sounds in the five boroughs because it is too stressful on the budget and well many officers refuse to waste their lives in defending Gang members who seem not to care for their own lives in the life they lead.
Because he might argh... err, offend his would-be murderer. You can't offend the poor guy, I mean, you have to be polite and politically correct otherwise you're not a good liberal.
James R Because the police force in my town takes a good five minutes to respond. I don't want to be at the mercy of the next Earle Nelson for that long. Jerrek: As I noted earlier, gun owners seem a great deal more civil. With James' recent queries, might I add "compassionate"? I'd rather have the blood of a would be rapist/murderer on my hands than be one of the 72 people who watched Kitty Genovese being murdered.
<b>Xev:</b> <i>Interesting to note that gun owners are, on average, much more civil than gun control nuts.</i> So, somebody who agrees with you is a "gun owner", but anybody who disagrees with you is a "nut". That is very telling. <i>And to answer your first query, yes, James R, I do. What a wonderfully sensitive man you are.</i> What has this got to do with my sensitivity? I merely asked a question. Nobody forced you to answer. And how about answering my other questions? <b>Jerrek</b> Presumably you think a gun would have helped your friend. Why? <i>I'm not interested in saving a would-be rapist. I want him dead so he is no burden to society and we can cross out another piece of trash from society. Stop protecting the criminals.</i> Who are these "criminals" you speak of? Do you have some kind of magical, inbuilt sense for who is a desperate criminal and who is an opportunistic teenager with poor problem-solving skills, for example? Or is a "criminal" just anybody you don't like? <i>If I find you raping a person, or if you try to kill me, you will end up quite dead.</i> So, you're a self-appointed judge, jury and executioner. How enlightened you are. <i>Because he might argh... err, offend his would-be murderer. You can't offend the poor guy, I mean, you have to be polite and politically correct otherwise you're not a good liberal.</i> This is very telling, too. If you thought about it for five seconds, you'd realise that the "bleeding heart liberals" whom you so despise are not the people you have to worry about. You've got your priorities all screwed up, I'm afraid. <b>Galt</b>: <i>If you are in imminent danger, why should you stand around waiting for the police instead of defending yourself?</i> I'm not saying you should. I'm saying that guns don't solve the problem. <b>sargentlard</b>: <i>In urban areas...(New York will be the city i shall refer to here) the police can take quite a bit of time to show. It's a sad fact but barely the police fault that sometimes in some well known notorious areas on the NY streets gun violence erupts because the street police refuses to go there due to the fear of their own safety.</i> Yes. And if there were no guns on the streets of NY, what then? Perhaps the police could do their job.
xev, quote - "Interesting to note that gun owners are, on average, much more civil than gun control nuts." what study is that based on?
They would respond to certain situations faster. These cops after all are family men who fear for their lives. The majority of the police however do respond though many times not fast enough due to many factors...(traffic, location etc etc). I do not blame their fears nor do i damn them for it......
