Cool idea - but how are you going to do that? Hell, even in Japan, where all firearms are illegal, the criminals have guns. It's not a problem you can solve with laws - as shown in Switzerland, if the social structure is right, you can give everyone military grade automatic firearms, let everyone carry concealed firearms everywhere without the need for a licence or permit, and still have an incredibly low firearms-related crime level. I'm still fairly certain it's the lack of training requirements that cause the most problems in the states. WCF, Depends on the crime rate in your area, your personal living arrangements, and a half-a-million other features. But in some cases, it wouldn't be a smart idea. In fact, there are cases where state law prohibits being unarmed (wandering around in bear territory in alaska springs to mind). But does that mean everyone needs to own one? Don't be silly - people don't just have a right to keep and bear arms in the US, they also have the right not to.
But I have access to reloading equipment for my 9mm, which is better than buying tons and tons of .22 ammo over and over again.
Let's not forget the Urban areas where gang members get guns right off the street corners i.e NY, LA etc
WellCookedFetus That gun is pretty cool, but it sounds as if it is way too impractical for personal use. It would be very cool mounted to the roof of my car, however. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Ok, in New Zealand, the police don't carry guns, nobody owns guns except for hunting. I don't know anyone who owns one, there is of course hunters and criminals ocasionally get their hands on a shotgun or something, get pumped up on meth and shoot a fast food cashier or something - but only then to the police dress in kevlar and bring out the semi's. But that's about it. Handguns and autos are illegal here and get you up to 10 years inside. It's national news when someone gets shot which is like four a year at most. How many thousands of people get shot or shoot themselves in the states? I think its dangerous to have a country like the states, that statisticly is full of dangerous people, armed with lethal weapons. In my opinion if you like guns your not normal, perhaps unstable and dangerous. You like devices designed soley for killing people? You should be locked up for even thinking about it. Three words: Bowling for Columbine While americans found it an insightful vison into violence in their society. The rest of the world found it a brilliant comedy. It got a french award for funniest film of the year.
Xev, you said - "As a general rule, gunowners don't have contempt for people who choose not to own guns. Some of us feel that they've made a foolish choice, but it's their choice. Anti-gun freaks, well, lets not go there." "foolish choice" , "anti-gun freaks" - no offence but if that isn't contempt im not sure what is. you also said - "Care to support this assertion? Last I looked into getting a gun license, there are a few background checks and suchlike." i said its easy to get a gun, not a gun licence. Galt, you said - "I don't think it's completely one-sided, but the hyperbole from gun-grabbers seems much more frequent and hateful." funny you say that, from my perspective it seems opposite if anything. I guess we all tend to hear the insults of the people who oppose us more than the insults of those who agree with us. a basic human tendency i think. buff
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venomx, last year alone over ~15,000 die here in the state of gun related homicide, over 65,000 injured (I can’t remember the exact number I saw this on a sight off goggle when I was reading about gun control laws in Britain, Australia and Japan. as for bowling for columbine I have a thread that talks about that, there is a link is above.
Naw Galt, if I was going to get a fullbore, I'd be more likely to get an ISSF fullbore rifle for 300m ISSF shooting - it's a bit more challenging: Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Ah - reloading isn't allowed over here for some reason. Which would make 300m shooting incredibly expensive, so odds are I won't be buying a Blieker anytime soon. Although, the Irish Army are putting a team up for the World Championships soon - I know the guy training them, I've shot with him before. I might get to try them once or twice to see if I like it - but 300m doesn't go to the olympics like air and .22 - the size of the ranges is too high (you need miles of downrange room for safety). venomx, Well, I happen to like my firearms. And they're pretty useless for hunting, either animals or humans. As I said, they make nifty, if incredibly expensive, clubs. Grab barrel, swing butt at other person's head. But to shoot at people? They're pretty useless for that, they've been designed to put a .22 bullet into a target 50m away, under standard ISSF rules. The design decisions made to fulfill this purpose make them highly suboptimal for the task of self-defence, or hunting, or combat, or anything else, really. Why do I like shooting? I like the challange, I like the deterministic nature of the results, I like the fact that I'm competing against myself and that no excuses apply, I like the social aspect of the sport and I like that the rifle club has a better safety record than our chess club. That essay I posted a few posts back sums up the reasons a lot more elequently than that, you might want to read it. So how am I unstable and dangerous?
The first report I don't know if it’s online. You may be able to find something in pdf somewhere. Washington D.C. murder rates FBI. Uniform Crime Reports Crime in the United States 1987 1988. Washington DC: US Government Printing Office. FBI. Uniform Crime Reports Crime in the United States 1976. 1977. Washington DC: US Government Printing Office. History of legislation for gun control in Canada Its pdf so you need acrobat reader. http://www.cdnshootingsports.org/Gun_Control_in_Canada_1946_to_1977.pdf I tried to go to the official website but unless you want to spend 50-90 bucks :/ There just statistics really because somebody else was using I did also. I don't exspect you to see them and change your mind nor should they. They don't take into acount things such as judical activism. This is a great site for argument of less gun control: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Kates/gun-control.html One of the best statements in there can basically be summed up: "[the] fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.{70}" I have a shotgun its cammoflauged so its kinda fugly and isint really worth posting. I use it mostly for hunting.
No, noooooooo... You think we should be disarmed and the goverment be able to lock people up for thoughts? Like I said before: Guns are designed to kill. Goverment is designed to oppress (whole point of police, army and laws). Should we get ride of both of them?
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Venomx, stop talking about things you know nothing about. You, as several other people, lack the intellect to make a connection that more guns does not necessarily mean higher crime. There are a TON of other factors, including homogenity of people, racial tension, economic conditions, and so on. And of course, Canada and Switzerland are dangerous too. Canada has more firearms per capita than the United States. Thank you. And in my opinion, if you can't pick up a firearm to defend your family and yourself, you are a fucking coward. Thought police eh? Maybe you would like 1984. Seen that. And I've read the rebuttals to it. The guy mixed fiction and non-fiction. Do you know what is non-fiction in that movie? Who the fuck gives a shit what the French think?
Sorry but even a coward can fire a firearm . Its simple .pull the little lever in front . Your a coward if you have too hide behind your guns.
All these bloodthirsty, heavily-armed Americans running about and you don't think I should be allowed to have a gun to defend myself? Liking guns is no different than liking any other inanimate object. None of my guns have ever killed anyone. Should I exchange them as defective for newer models? I suppose disarming Americans would be a necessary precursor to thought-crime laws. Three words: Full of crap. Click and learn: Bowling Truths The French think Jerry Lewis is funny, too. Shows what they know.
