Presidential predictions for 2024?
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We may find out if this has crossed the line, as he's now being investigated by the Senate Budget Committee, although what teeth they have, and whether anything will come of it, at least before the election, who knows. I, for one, hope that America don't vote for someone that is willing to sell their energy policy just to put him in power.
Seattle
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That's what politicians do. It's either selling themselves to the oil companies or the unions, promising to screw the rich in favor of the poor or the debt in favor of freebies.
"I promise to provide XXX and your taxes won't go up, that other group will pay for all of it. Vote for me."
"I promise to provide XXX and your taxes won't go up, that other group will pay for all of it. Vote for me."
That is somewhat different to "Pay me $1 bn and I'll enact whatever Executive orders you want".
Or more precisely "pay me $1B and I will repeal these specific Biden-era orders that you want repealed." He had apparently put some thought into the bribe he wanted.That is somewhat different to "Pay me $1 bn and I'll enact whatever Executive orders you want".
Haven't they (Big Oil) also drafted some Executive orders for him, though?
Seattle
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Is it?That is somewhat different to "Pay me $1 bn and I'll enact whatever Executive orders you want".
So it seems OHIO Republicans are seeking to deny Biden's name from the Presidential ballot paper in their state. They have this odd 90-day rule which means that the nominees need to be informed to the appropriate body 90-days prior to the Presidential election, which would make it an early August deadline. Unfortunately, this is a couple of weeks before the Dems certify Biden at their national convention on Aug 19.
The Ohio Secretary of State, Frank LaRose, has warned them and given them 2 options: the first is the usual route of seeking an approval to delay their announcement - which is a route both parties have used in the past. In fact, in 2020 both parties certified their nominees after the 90-day deadline. The other alternative is to move the date of their national convention.
His letter to the Dems then says that, by the way, there is no will in the state legislature - which has a Republican super-majority due to gerrymandering - to approve any delay. So he offers with one hand but then with the other says it's not a genuine offer.
It is possible the Dems will take Ohio to court - I mean, SCOTUS says that a State can't remove an insurrectionist from a ballot paper, so surely they would determine that not meeting an early deadline (the 90-day deadline is far earlier than other states), when there is a history of providing approvals for a delay, would not be an issue. But, then, this is the Trump-infused SCOTUS we're talking about, so who knows!
That's if it gets that far, of course. The Dems may change the date of their National Convention (albeit unlikely) or may negotiate with the Ohio Republicans to get them to approve a delay. Who knows.
At least we in the UK have a system that is less broken... albeit one that allows for a party getting 40% of the national vote to have a massive majority in Parliament. And we have our General Election 4th July! \o/
The Ohio Secretary of State, Frank LaRose, has warned them and given them 2 options: the first is the usual route of seeking an approval to delay their announcement - which is a route both parties have used in the past. In fact, in 2020 both parties certified their nominees after the 90-day deadline. The other alternative is to move the date of their national convention.
His letter to the Dems then says that, by the way, there is no will in the state legislature - which has a Republican super-majority due to gerrymandering - to approve any delay. So he offers with one hand but then with the other says it's not a genuine offer.
It is possible the Dems will take Ohio to court - I mean, SCOTUS says that a State can't remove an insurrectionist from a ballot paper, so surely they would determine that not meeting an early deadline (the 90-day deadline is far earlier than other states), when there is a history of providing approvals for a delay, would not be an issue. But, then, this is the Trump-infused SCOTUS we're talking about, so who knows!
That's if it gets that far, of course. The Dems may change the date of their National Convention (albeit unlikely) or may negotiate with the Ohio Republicans to get them to approve a delay. Who knows.
At least we in the UK have a system that is less broken... albeit one that allows for a party getting 40% of the national vote to have a massive majority in Parliament. And we have our General Election 4th July! \o/
Seattle
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I read that the GDP of the UK is greater than that of Mississippi but that if the economy of London was not considered, the economy of Mississippi would be greater. I'm talking per capita here. The point that was being discussed was that other than the London area there is a lot of poverty in the UK.
Does this ring true to you or not?
No, it doesn't ring true.
In the UK we define "poverty" as having a lower household income than 60% of the median. Which currently means a single-person household earning less than about 18k GBP.
Using this measure, London actually has one of the higher "poverty" rates in the UK.
The GDP measure is heavily distorted by London not because of the higher proportion in poverty elsewhere but because there is a far greater concentration of the higher earners in London, it being our financial-services centre.
Pinball1970
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I'm a humanist so should vote labour or Green maybe. It would hurt me to vote for a party that Angela Rayner in though. Let alone in one where she was second in command.
Seattle
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So, you won't be moving to Mississippi?
Can you post a link to this, please? As much as I dislike the man, the only thing I can find is comments to the effect that, once re-elected, he will work to get the journalist released. I can find nothing to say that he is actively working to keep the journo in jail until then. So a link would be good. Thanks.
Seattle
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russia-denies-trumps-claim-can-32882059.ampCan you post a link to this, please? As much as I dislike the man, the only thing I can find is comments to the effect that, once re-elected, he will work to get the journalist released. I can find nothing to say that he is actively working to keep the journo in jail until then. So a link would be good. Thanks.
Yep - that's along the lines of what I've already seen - which is nothing about how he is "working with Vladimir Putin to keep an American in jail in Russia unless he is re-elected". If we want to criticise Trump for spinning headlines into falsehoods, such as his recent claim that the FBI were authorised to assassinate him etc, then it behooves us not to do the same about him.
I.e. he's not working with Putin to keep anyone in jail, but he has said he'll work to get the prisoner released once he's re-elected. Spinning it as the former, as billvon did, is to lie.
I.e. he's not working with Putin to keep anyone in jail, but he has said he'll work to get the prisoner released once he's re-elected. Spinning it as the former, as billvon did, is to lie.
He came out and said that Putin would only release the man for Trump, and only after Trump's election.
Now, he was likely lying, as he does all the time. But his dishonesty does not give him a pass on what he claimed.
That's not the same as working to keep the prisoner in jail until he's reelected, though.
Nor does it give you a pass on spinning what he said to the extent that it isn't true.
If what he was saying is true and Putin is indeed going to keep him in prison until after Trump's election - at which point he will release him to no one other than (now president elect) Trump - yes, it does.
Imagine a man comes to your house and says "so I hear your car's missing. My associate will give it back if you give me $1000. "
Would your conclusion be that:
1) there is no connection between the thief and this man, and it will be mere coincidence that you may get your car back if you pay
2) they are working together to keep your car until you give the man $1000
A bit of a grey area.It does feel ,though that Trump is being reckless in his self agrandisment and the American journalist is being used as a pawn in his game.
No he is not going to admit to "working towards keeping him in jail" so that Biden looks ineffective but it is fairly clear that that is his game (same game as his torpedoing the vote on the border-and the GOP's acquiescence in the openly transparent ploy) - to further his self interest at everyone's expense other than his own.
Wih Trump we have to believe what he says but also follow his actions and read between the lines.
It is true that overegging our criticisms of him can be counterproductive (probably part of his game too) but we cannot allow the obvious to be ignored just because he is so slimey and outrageous that we initially assume it cannot be true.
A pity Putin could not swap the American jounalist for another worthy citizen prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice for his country.
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