He's not exactly the smartest in the bunch. He certainly would not be the first politician to nuke his own career on social media. Given he was outed by fellow Republicans, one has to wonder why that would be. But he has a history of self immolating on twitter. Remember this doozy? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Something something about witness tampering applies here. Which he finally realised a day later.. But he's preaching to the choir. You know, people like yourself who are willing to accept anything and everything so long as it's from the right. Imagine excusing accusation of sleeping with a minor to own the Libs? Of course. Only bad people would bring that up, right? Your terminology is interesting though... Are you projecting again? You seem to do that a lot when you can't answer a question. Why? It's a simple enough question: "There’s no age that you can’t be be sexy." Is there an age where one is not sexy? Instead of projecting, perhaps answer the question.
Now you're just lying. I haven't accepted anything. I'm waiting for due process. Allegations from anonymous sources doesn't prove guilt. As a foreigner, maybe that's an alien concept to you. Maybe it's just because you're a leftist. Funny, from what you say below, it's doesn't seem like you even read that. And why would demarcating the age of minors from everyone else be "interesting"? If that doesn't seem like an appropriate cut off for you, again, I would not care to guess your predilections. Did you see where you just quoted me as saying "good people do not just assume it means minors". If you really need it spelled out in crayon, that means good people do not believe minors can be sexy. No, it's just a simple fact of life. Liars are the first to assume they're being lied to, thieves the first to think someone stole from them, etc.. I allow bad people to expose themselves, with their own presumptions.
Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! politicians dont get tested for moral ethical and legal quality equally their chosen few who are employed with no vetting it seems odd to have no base for such high levels of authority then see them trying to play their own game by demanding their opposition suddenly be moral bastions as a need to justify their political opinions when they have clearly broken all the basic morals
I guess that is why you have carrying on as though Floyd is guilty and Chauvin is innocent in the other thread... Due process for you is all based on politics, isn't it? I did not actually say they did. That you are making crap up and arguing against it? I have seen people like you pull this stunt too many times to count. You are just spectacularly bad at it. One does not have to be a white American to see how you operate. But A for effort! Because we are discussing a guy who is accused of sex trafficking a minor... You are the one mounting an argument for this guy. Not I or anyone else. Everyone who read his comment saw it in the same light. Inappropriate for reasons stated. I'm not the one who has had to be forced to answer a question and even then, you have left it wide open for interpretation. Except for Matt Gaetz, allegedly. You are sorely mistaken. I don't think you are lying. I don't think you are lying to me about what and the manner in which you post. I think you genuinely are a repulsive individual and it is reflected in the content of your posts. Your posts reek of it. And that's not because you are inherently dishonest. You're just that type of person. You project when you are confronted. It's a regular pattern with you. I don't know about thieves being the first to think someone stole from them, because I am not a thief, "etc". So I'll take your word for it. You seem to know more about it than I do. I mean, the only person I have seen who keeps saying people are stealing from her is my mother, but that is because she has advanced dementia and thinks her bed is in the dining room half the time and believes her tv remote is her phone and thinks the nurses have stolen her phone. Again, this can hardly be surprising. Appealing to the die hard right winger's. I do wonder whether he's on this latest push and his latest behaviour on social media is because he's found out Greenberg is cooperating with the FBI and trying to sway the crowd while the investigation is ongoing...
I'm inclined to agree, but I also think there's an element of derangement or insanity here that sometimes resembles dishonesty--I mean, what sane individual would view this bunch: Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! as a "threatening crowd?" Especially to grown-ass cops? The little girl looks like she could take any one of them, but the rest?
No, I've just seen actual evidence in the Chauvin case for myself, where I've seen none against Gaetz. You know, aside from the presumption of innocence in US legal proceedings. But you're probably unaware of that. You certainly seem eager to presume guilt. So you think I'm making up due process and the presumption of innocence? You think "that means good people do not believe minors can be sexy." is up for interpretation? Again, since I don't know you or your predilections, I can't even imaging why that would not be clear to you. I'm not arguing for anyone. Go check my first post in this thread. I'm just saying that there's an innocuous take for what you claim is a damning tweet. According to your motivated reasoning or predilections. Never said you thought I was lying. Please, learn how to read. Or at the very least, try to refrain from using your poor reading comprehension to justify outright ad hominems. But since you seem familiar with the concept of projection, as you just accused me of it, you've defeated your own refute, as all I described was projection. Maybe you should look it up before you use that word again. Learn to follow the conversation.
Did you examine the actual body, perhaps? Did you handle the actual blood samples sent to toxicology, or swipe one of the actual cellphones used to record the crime? Or did you just read about it? If so, congratulations - you are as informed as everyone else is about both cases. Now, I know, your ego won't let you admit that you are no different than the rest of us, people you consider beneath you. But your condescension and arrogance notwithstanding, you are just as informed as anyone else. Meanwhile, back in the Gaetz saga: His latest attempt to distract people from the investigation into his alleged pedophilia has failed. =================== WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A federal investigation into whether U.S. Representative Matt Gaetz trafficked a minor for sex will not be derailed by his assertion that a veteran asked his father for money to pay for the release of an American held by Iran, a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation said. Investigators believe the purported scheme to free Robert Levinson, a former FBI agent who disappeared in Iran in 2007, lacked credibility, the source said. Another U.S. official familiar with the case noted that Levinson's family in March 2020 publicly accepted U.S. government assessments that he died in Iranian custody. Federal investigators are examining the purported attempt while separately also looking into whether Gaetz, a Florida Republican, may have violated sex trafficking laws by paying travel expenses for a 17-year-old female, the law enforcement source said. =================== It looks like Gaetz was aware this was coming; he started fundraising hard, and hiring legal firms that specialize in damage control, before the alleged pedophilia came to light. =================== Roger Sollenberger/Daily Beast: As Rep. Matt Gaetz combats allegations that he was involved in a sex ring, the Florida Republican’s latest campaign finance report reflects a public relations scramble that began even before he acknowledged being the focus of a federal investigation. . .Gaetz also paid $5,000 in “strategic consulting” fees to notorious political operative Roger Stone. ===================
Someone who has no arguments left, and is hoping no one checks to see what the crowd actually looked like. You have to cut them a little slack. A white cop is going to jail for killing a black criminal. A lot of conservatives see this as Armageddon; once their privledge vanishes, and they are judged by the same criteria as everyone else, then their worldview collapses.
Not me. The cops on the scene, including the officer across the street who couldn't see everything going on, and the EMTs who thought the scene too unsafe to try treating Floyd in situ. Don't be silly. I watched the CCTV, bystander, and whole 30 minutes of body cam footage. Many people claimed to as well, but demonstrably missed a whole lot of what clearly happened. And that's not even accounting for many not knowing that medical findings of homicide are not the same as the criminal charge, etc.. I'm sorry I make you feel so insecure.
Yep. You watched some videos and now claim to know more than the doctors who treated him and then performed the autopsy and examined his body. And you simply presume innocent based on political ideology. No. I think you are hypocritical in how you apply both. Why do you keep projecting? You do this a lot. You had the whole 'no you' thing happening when you were a child, didn't you? A take even Gaetz did not 'take'.. Again with the projections. Oh look. Changing the subject from what I actually said.. How strange and unusual!
Ah! So you talked to the cops directly, eh? Where did you meet them? At a bar, perhaps? Cool. So you know as much about it as I do.
Where did you get this? Is there a report that states this? Hennepin EMS then arrive six minutes after the distress call. Civilian footage shows a medical worker touching Floyd’s head as Chauvin remains on top of him. Paramedics and officers eventually flip Floyd over, load him on a gurney and into the ambulance while he was still handcuffed. Once inside, a responder freed his hands. The decision to “load and go,” rather than triage at the scene, was likely based on their race against the clock, Scheerer said. Unloading all the equipment can often take much longer than treating a patient from inside the ambulance. When pressed about a potential duty to intervene if a patient is endangered on a call, Scheerer surmised that, in this case, responders were unaware of how severe the situation had become. “I don’t think the paramedics knew what was going on. They just saw a split second of what was happening,” he said in reference to Chauvin’s prolonged knee restraint on Floyd’s neck. “Ultimately, if the police have somebody in custody, we have to get permission from them to work with on the patient.” Fire Engine 17 arrived without lights and sirens just after the ambulance pulled away. The initial call started as a Code 2 to assist EMS on a scene, not the more urgent Code 3, indicating a life-threatening situation. Preliminary information given to firefighters said only that Floyd had “trauma to his mouth,” according to an incident report. Upon arrival, firefighters attempting to locate their patient were told by those gathered that police “had killed the man,” the report says. “Bystanders were upset but not unruly.” The crew found an off-duty firefighter who reported witnessing the end of the struggle and watched as Floyd turned unresponsive in police custody. Dispatch notified firefighters that medics who just left the scene needed assistance, so they moved a few blocks away to meet up with the ambulance. Two firefighters entered the rig as a medic was performing chest compressions on Floyd. They assisted getting IV and medications prepared as the paramedic continued to search for a pulse, the report said. “When someone is not breathing, every second counts,” said Mark Lakosky, president of Minneapolis Fire Local 82. His personnel are trained that someone can suffer brain damage in as little as four minutes without oxygen. While en route to HCMC, EMS workers radioed ahead that they had picked up Floyd and were incoming. “I’ve got a red medical, we’ll be there in approximately six minutes,” a medic relayed, according to emergency dispatch audio. “Thirties, male, was being detained by PD … was on a … was a cardiac arrest upon EMS arrival, apparently doing CPR, getting access, getting vitals, bagging, calling ACLS [advanced cardiovascular life support], we’ll be there in six minutes, red medical, COVID symptoms are unknown.” Floyd’s condition never changed, even after an electric shock to the chest. The incident report stops once he was handed off to emergency room staff. Doctors continued additional lifesaving measures, but Scheerer declined to specify what kind, citing medical privacy rules. [https://www.ems1.com/fatal-incident...ac-arrest-when-ems-arrived-xtikhsaX8aF14EFn/] Scheerer is the Hennepin Healthcare EMS Chief. You have made the claim that the EMT's thought the scene was too unsafe to treat Floyd. In this thread and in the George Floyd thread. Can you please cite where you got that from? Because their boss said that they loaded him into the ambulance asap because it was easier and would have provided Floyd with a better chance of survival due to the time constraints as Floyd was not breathing and had no pulse. If you cannot support this claim, then I am simply going to assume that you are making this up, as the paramedics never testified that they thought the scene was too unsafe to treat Floyd. The only thing regarding concern about the scene is from the fire captain: Minneapolis Fire Capt. Jeremy Norton described how his crew initially responded to the original scene after the ambulance crew had already left. While trying to locate the patient, the firefighters spoke with off-duty Minneapolis Firefighter-EMT Genevieve Hansen, who told them what she had witnessed and appeared to Norton to be "agitated and distraught," according to KSTP. After an officer told them that the paramedics had left, Norton and his partner met up with the ambulance crew and saw that Floyd was unresponsive and resuscitation efforts were underway. Norton added that when he realized the severity of Floyd's condition, he understood why Hansen was so upset and sent a crew to the original scene to check on her. Norton also testified that he notified his superiors that "a man was killed in police custody" and that an off-duty firefighter was a witness in the incident, according to KSTP. Not exactly fitting the bill in regards to an "unsafe" scene now, huh?
That must be it! Chauvin feared that the EMT was going to kill him, and thus had to keep his knee on Floyd to control her. It all makes sense now!
Or they were afraid the police on the scene could go after their colleague and sent a crew to go and check on her..?
Does anyone else find it disturbing that medical personnel need permission to look at a suspect in police custody?
Police behavior in the situation makes it clear, and both the officer across the street and EMTs testified to it. More, due to a lack of pervasive bias.
No evidence of it in autopsy, only after watching the video, as he testified. Not my problem if you think a doctor is a video or use-of-force expert. Presumption of innocence is a part of the US legal system, regardless of political ideology. God, you're ignorant. Then show us all where. You can't, so quit lying. Lot's of deflection. I wonder why? I can only assume you didn't comprehend the simple fact that you accused me of projecting to refute my point that people project. That's hilarious. Liars thinking other lie is literally projection. You starting to understand any better now? Testimony and time code cited in the other thread. Their boss wasn't on the scene and contradicts the EMT's testimony.
