Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And that is to my discredit?
    What an odd observation. And what are those tactics. Persuasive arguments?

    Instead of muckraking and trying make me out as a bad guy, why don't you give some of my links a try and see if am trying to con people into false and deceptive ideas or if I am trying to inform people of new and exciting developments in the nano sciences.
     
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    Can this count as one proof of microtubules contributing to emergent consciousness?

    Witness the slime mold, a brainless but smart multi-nucleic single celled organism that can solve mazes, design railway networks, has a learning circadian rhythm, and can walk as a pseudopod. The last especially important for motility and extending the hunting range of the slime mold.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudopodia

    On the role of the plasmodial cytoskeleton in facilitating intelligent behavior in slime mold Physarum polycephalum
    Abstract
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4594612/


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    Note that the only significant number of organelles are the microtubules in the cytoplasm of the slime mold. All data processing in slime molds is via microtubules and seems to be causal in acquiring emergent semi-intelligent abilities.
     
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    Role of microtubules in processing "colors"

    Visualization and Analysis of Microtubule Dynamics Using Dual Color-Coded Display of Plus-End Labels

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    Figure 1. General strategy of the dCCD method. A.
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0050421
     
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    This is colour labelling introduced by the experimenters, in order to investigate the behaviour of microtubules, you fool. The microtubules are not processing anything.

    You are just quoting random stuff about microtubules you have found on the internet, without any idea what it is about.
     
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    But it's MICROTUBULES!
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That's what this thread is about. Are you complaining that I am staying on topic?
     
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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope, not at all!
     
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    Proteomic approaches to understanding the role of the cytoskeleton in host-defense mechanisms
    Marko Radulovic†,1 and Jasminka Godovac-Zimmermann1
    The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at Expert Rev Proteomics
    See other articles in PMC that cite the published article.

    Abstract
    Keywords: actin, cytoskeleton, host defense, immune cell, immune response, mass spectrometry, microtubule, protein, proteomics, purification strategies

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4261605/
     
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    From a highly recommended site of real science. Thank you exchemist.

    Microtubule Organization in Neurons
    https://www.researchgate.net/public...ule_Organization_in_Neurons/citation/download
     
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    And more from ResearchGate as recommended by exchemist.

    Low and behold, there is an entire section devoted to microtubules.... paradise....

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    (continued from "computers are incapable....... in the Alternate Science subforum)

    Mathematically Modeling (artificial) Sentient Consciousness

    Abstract
    Self-referential action, evolving into self-awareness
    https://www.researchgate.net/public...ly_Modeling_Artificial_Sentient_Consciousness

    I'll be mining this site as a recommended authoritative science library.
    Again, thank you exchemist, for this excellent recommendation.
     
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    No, just a matter of poor editing on my part.
    Originally I was going to post from another link, but when I ran across this I felt it demonstrated how microtubules behave and quoted from that site, without editing the opening sentence. I believe the quoted portions as well as the illustration itself make it abundantly clear that the colors shown were pseudo-colored images to visually demonstrate the self-referential reversals.
    I read every narrative before I copy and paste it in my post. Proof lies in the fact that I parse the quoted paragraphs for ease of reading. The original articles are presented as one large block. I separate the large block into smaller blocks, for easier reading and selection for comment.

    It is kinda sad that you are still not convinced of my sincerity and every little flaw in any of my post is a fatal blow to the entire content of the post, according to your prejudicial view of my mental capacity and ability for understanding narratives of complex science. Your obsessive criticisms and ad hominems are so unproductive and bordering on being obsessive. I am positively contributing to interesting topics.
    Your crusade against my participation is really only contributing negatively to the science I quote from usually very reliable sources.

    For the volume of posts, I believe my work shows remarkably few errors. And most of them are in the semantics, not my interpretation of the science. For the sparsity that you post, I often see small errors in your posts. I ignore those because I am interested in the content of what you post, not how well you present it.

    Lighten up, I am not your enemy!
     
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    Re: Nano-pore processors.

    Study suggests how to build a better 'nanopore' biosensor
    by Ben P. Stein, National Institute of Standards and Technology [/quote]

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    Credit: CC0 Public Domain
    https://phys.org/news/2021-04-nanopore-biosensor.html

    And what, is that biosensor?

    Model of ionic currents through microtubule nanopores and the lumen. Holly Freedman, Vahid Rezania, Avner Priel, Eric Carpenter, Sergei Y. Noskovd, Jack A. Tuszynski
    https://arxiv.org/abs/0908.1209
     
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    Credit: CC0 Public Domain
    https://phys.org/news/2021-04-nanopore-biosensor.html

    And what, is that biosensor?

    Model of ionic currents through microtubule nanopores and the lumen. Holly Freedman, Vahid Rezania, Avner Priel, Eric Carpenter, Sergei Y. Noskovd, Jack A. Tuszynski
    https://arxiv.org/abs/0908.1209[/QUOTE]

    Biology manipulating the periodic table .
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, you tell me .

    All I am trying to suggest in this thread, is that MT may be of primary importance in the emergence of consciousness, by whatever means Electro-Magnetic, Electro-Chemical, Quantum processes.....?

    Bundles of Brain Microtubules Generate Electrical Oscillations

    Abstract
    Introduction
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-30453-2
     
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    Write4U , for the record , we are good .
    Is there any Reason to discontinue your investigation ?
     
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    If anything, you keep me sharp......

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    I am not doing the science, I am just reporting on the science. When I run across something new and exciting I shall post it, no doubt.......

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    Just ran across this little tidbit about the role of tubulins in Archea.

    Archaeal origin of tubulin
    Natalya Yutin1 and Eugene V Koonin

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    Findings
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3349469/

    IMO, this confirms that microtubules (tubulins) are fundamentally a common denominator in all dynamic life forms and are instrumental in data transport which allows for the dynamic behavior in all animate organisms.
     
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    Additional info about the role of microtubules in muscle function.

    Microtubule-dependent transport and organization of sarcomeric myosin during skeletal muscle differentiation
    Véronique Pizon,1 Fabien Gerbal,2 Carmen Cifuentes Diaz,3 and Eric Karsenti4,a

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    Keywords: microtubules, muscle differentiation, sarcomeric myosin, transport

    Introduction
    Therefore, regulation of MT dynamics seems to be of critical importance for myoblast differentiation. In spite of all these observations, little progress has been made on a potential causal relationship between MT organization and dynamics and formation of the sarcomeres. Although descriptive data report on MT network reorganization, no thorough analysis of MT dynamics has been performed so far in living muscle cells.[/quote]
    ......more
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1276724/
     
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    Paddoboy said;
    The proteasome controls ESCRT-III–mediated cell division in an archaeon

    Proteasomal control of division in Archaea

    In eukaryotes, proteasome-mediated degradation of cell cycle factors triggers mitotic exit, DNA segregation, and cytokinesis, a process that culminates in abscission dependent on the protein ESCRT-III. By studying cell division in an archaeal relative of eukaryotes, Tarrason Risa et al. identified a role for the proteasome in triggering cytokinesis by an archaeal ESCRT-III homolog.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982200007466
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    Well, lookie what I found!

    Microtubules, membranes and cytokinesis
    Aaron F.StraightaChristine M.Fielda

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    ........more.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982200007466#
     
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