The Gaetz saga

Discussion in 'Politics' started by billvon, Apr 14, 2021.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    About a week ago, it was revealed that Matt Gaetz, a US representative from Florida, was being looked at in connection with the investigation into Joel Greenberg, a Florida tax collector who is facing 33 counts of fraud and stalking charges connected to his use of taxpayer money to procure women for local politicians. It was revealed that Gaetz paid sums of money to Greenberg who then quickly sent the money to women who Gaetz later had sexual relationships with. One is now 18; it is as yet unclear how old she was when Greenberg sent her the money, or how old she was when Gaetz had sex with her.

    Gaetz has not denied sending money to girls or having sex with them. "I've been, you know, generous as a partner" he said when asked. He also claimed that the girl in question was 18 when he had sex with her. (He would have been 36 at the time.)

    Now investigators have uncovered the names of five girls who were flown to the Bahamas on private aircraft for the use of Gaetz and several other GOP officials, including state legislator Halsey Beshears and GOP fundraiser Jason Pirozzolo, a doctor.

    The law they are likely to run afoul of is the Mann Act, which prohibits transporting women across state lines for the purpose of prostitution. And given that Gaetz paid Mann $900, and he in turn paid three girls that $900 for "tuition" - it is likely that Gaetz will have to answer this in court.

    There's one group who has got to feel vindicated by this - Qanon. They've been talking about a deep state pedophilia/sex trafficking ring for years - and it has finally been uncovered. They must be ecstatic.

    Right?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/13/gaetz-bahamas-investigation-481273
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Is this a offshoot of Epstein and / or Bill Clinton?

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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Update - two women have revealed details of the sex-and-drug parties that they attended along with Gaetz and several other people. One said she was paid by Greenberg for sex with people at the party, although she did not reveal which of the partygoers she had sex with for that money.

    Interestingly, the two women came forward because they wanted to defend Gaetz. They said that none of the women at those parties were underage as far as they could tell. It is unclear whether the 17 year old that is a big part of this controversy was there.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    must be a few of the girls parents & family who just want to put a bullet through the head of each one of those guys and get it sorted
    so they can move on with their lifes.
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    I think one of the best moments to come out of this nightmare is when Gaetz dragged Tucker Carlson into the controversy..

    But in all seriousness, is anyone surprised that it's Matt Gaetz? Dude had 'predator' screaming from his pores for a while now.
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    & if he can make clicks & popularity off it for himself he will do so
    at any expense
    with his lecturious preacher monologue patriarchy splain
    pretending to play both-sides-liberal

    its just a character for him though(he looks to me like a genuine sociopath)
    a means to money & popularity, a vehicle for employment while maintaining right wing liberal conservative validity for the upper class sect.
    its a niche market & that's his niche
    he suites it well

    however it will be a fairly short run if he starts to splain sexual predation of questionable legal aged girls by 40 year old rich white guys who can afford to pay real prostitutes for any sex they want
     
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    No, but if you think of the underlying Q-ish sorts of conspiracy theories running amok on the right, and juxtapose that with the oddly explicit rightist telegraphing of their own sins in what they complain about, then no, we ought not be surprised that conservative dirty laundry has achieved this degree of filth. To the one, it happens; to the other, well, as produce of conservative values, it has a stupid spectacle wow factor about it that, sadly, makes nearly perfect sense.

    And, remember, the old Coulter line about Epstein and Clinton is ... er ... ah ... nothing new↗, and has always ignored conservative associations with the Epstein case. More than a partisan political question, the Epstein catastrophe reflects on power and privilege. If we wish to be more particular, and make partisan issues of it, we could always take a moment to consider the point about power and privilege in a man's man's man's man's world, and also remember what Maurice said about little girls.

    If we absolutely must be partisan, the Gaetz scandal is more about the intersection of conservative values and manhood. Gaetz and Greenberg read more like street-level jokers trying to be like Epstein or other icons of such power that warrants the privilege of a manly man who can have whatever he wants. It's a broad range, of course, but aspiring to a circumstance granting such extraordinary privilege is not so uncommon.
     
  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i suspect it is their desire to have a virgin sex slave
    where they maintain the physical sexual and intellectual domination
    just like rapists

    instead of forced rape with physical violence
    they use psychological manipulation & drugs
    to render the child incapable of refusing
    which gives them the power trip to feel superior

    unlike a violent rapist rage
    they like many sexual predators need to perceive they are stealing something personal & unique and sexual off the victim.

    the traditional form of rapist in the laymens eyes wants to install terror through the sexual act for arousal and satisfaction(sadist)

    these type of serial rapists want to use psychological manipulation and drugs to validate themselves morally to gain a sociopathic power trip to place themselves as superior to society and its morals, including people.

    such predatory sexual behavior is not new or unique
    some religions sanctify the process of child sexual & domestic slavery by calling them a wife and making ceremonys

    to think these people are in the very top of what the USA defines as their most civilized ideal role model part of society.
     
  12. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Flashback: Sea bass and orgasms↗.

    Also flashback: Carnivore, "Male Supremacy" (1985)↱.

    And that latter, it's Peter Steele, and the middle section (3:25) is an extraordinary gem of masculine elegance, much akin to waxing nostalgic for all those good things about a proppe' South'n Gen'leman.

    Y'know, enviable virtue ... once you look past all the carnage and sin.
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Could you have a creepier avatar, y'know...really.
     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Occam's Razor, my man. The simplest explanation is probably the correct one. They wanted sex with a hot young girl and the regular avenues weren't working - but for the low low price of $900, it was made available to them. And if they weren't quite 18 yet? Well, she said she was 18! And it's not Gaetz's fault if he used a pimp that wasn't careful enough! Give him a break. He's just a humble conservative family values republican who made a simple mistake that anyone could make.

    Right?
     
  15. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Did you just forget that Florida has a high percent of seniors, or did you intentionally equivocate to make a false point?
     
  16. Bells Staff Member

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    Oh yeah.

    The guy now under investigation for sex trafficking a 17 year old was really thinking of 80 year old granny's when he made that comment in regards to that tweet..

    Totally believable angle!
     
  17. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    Are you really that obtuse? You think a politician was literally talking about minors being sexy, in a public Tweet?
    So you just believe his was actively trying to sabotage his own career? Wow, talk about motivated reasoning.

    And I suppose you also think minors are the primary or intended audience of Florida's welcome signs?
     
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  18. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    the guy was literally showing naked pictures of women to house colleges while on the floor of the house, and has literally argued he has the right to share nudes of other people to whomever he wants. the guys not a paragon of ethically sexual behavior or responsibility. while you are right we cant assume thats what he meant. at the same time given is long and sordid history of weird sex shit you cant say thats not what he meant. the guys a pervert.
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    "There’s no age that you can’t be be sexy."

    He took to twitter and said Florida welcome signs should be changed to that.

    "There’s no age that you can’t be be sexy."​

    Think about that for a second. In your case, take a few minutes. I highlighted the problematic bit in that statement.

    Now. I want you to consider what age or age group that one should not be considered sexy, nor viewed as "sexy".

    And then, consider that the guy who said Florida should change its welcome signs to that and who was the only person to vote against trafficking laws, is the one accused of sex trafficking a minor..

    "There’s no age that you can’t be be sexy."​

    Yes. Yes there is.

    If you don't understand why that is, please seek help. If you are going to try to argue that Gaetz was really thinking about the seniors residing in Florida, then you are frankly a lost cause.
     
  20. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    So you insist that he was intentionally trying to tank his career?
    He voted against creating a new federal entity when existing federal agencies could address it. Sounds like he has a "small government" constituency.

    Or you can run string between stuff on your conspiracy board and arrive at the conclusion that he's dead set on ruining his own career. Up to you.
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    The man goes around showing pictures of the naked women he paid for.. sorry, forgot about your delicate sensibilities when it comes to GOP.. "dated" to others. He is being investigated for sex trafficking and involving a minor. He tanked his own career by his sexual proclivities.

    Again, no one would ever think this statement:

    "There’s no age that you can’t be be sexy."

    Is okay.. Just as no one would think this should be on any sign entering any State or region. The reason should be obvious.

    Ask yourself this.. Is there an age where one is not sexy? If you have difficulty answering that, then please seek help. Immediately!
     
  22. Vociferous Valued Senior Member

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    You mean "allegedly", according to "anonymous sources".
    Big difference between unintentionally tanking your career with your secrets getting out and intentionally posting your career-ending secrets on Twitter. I'm betting you're far too obtuse to admit that obvious difference.

    Guess what, good people do not just assume it means minors. Why on Earth would you, unless you already entertain similar predilections? That would say far more about you.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Fun fact -

    Marjorie Taylor Greene of Qanon fame is touting her new "America First" caucus, a pro-Trump caucus that emphasizes, among other things, "common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions." It also talks about the threat that immigration poses to "the long-term existential future of America as a unique country with a unique culture and a unique identity."

    And guess who is 100% on board with this new "white supremacy lite"? theme? You guessed it - Matt Gaetz. From his tweet: "I'm proud to join @mtgreenee in the #AmericaFirst Caucus. We will end wars, stop illegal immigration & promote trade that is fair to American workers. This is just a hit piece from the America Last crowd in Big Media, Big Tech & Big Government."
     

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