Religion and women.

It's not different, but it is a natural survival mechanism and God is not required.

Animals don't believe in God and don't go around raping and murdering each other.
How is that different from God's Law? It isn't derived from God's Law, is it? It's a good survival strategy.
You leave me be, I leave you be, unless I'm hungry.......

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Well, here is a list of wrong things in religions;

Cruelty and Violence in the Bible

1. Genesis
   
   2 Exodus........more

https://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

 

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For consensual sex with someone other than their spouse.
The definition pretty much explains it well enough.
Nothing about rape in there.
While rape and adultery both have the act of sexual intercourse as their fundamental, adultery is simply NOT the (or even a) fundamental basis of rape.
That would be like saying a boxing match is the fundamental basis of being physically assualted: one is with the consent of both parties, the other is not, but both have fighting (at least by one party) as a fundamental.
So your comment was, and remains, grossly incorrect.

And you have given "a man must love his wife more than his own body" as the real principle, right?
So for those men who don't love their own body too much, does that mean they can treat their wife only marginally better?
If a man likes to be pushed around, humiliated, degraded, does that mean they can do that to their wife without their wife's consent, even he loves her?
Or are you simply saying the circular argument that if you follow rules then you won't break rules?

And what of a woman raping a man?
Does your "real principle" of marriage include a woman needing to love her husband more than her own body?

 

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Ok

If the husband and wife are committed to each other in their relationship, it begs the question as to why they have to have sex outside of their marriage. Also why is sex so important that it compels them to commit adultery?

You’ll find that most boxers, especially the good ones are violent people, and do commit assault, outside of boxing matches.

It may appear so on the surface.

Yes

If a man does not love his own body, what is the point of getting married, and having children?

He may do?
Such a man is consumed by his delusion. His marriage is most probably a sham. He should grow up and take responsibility instead of acting the fool.

I’ve always found that weird.
How does a women rape a man?

 

Atheists talking about God, and scripture.
That is funny

 

Ten word response....
And not a single one of those Ten words would seem to indicate that you read or even lightly glanced over the Quote.

Again, you Posted the following :

 

There are some religions that kill atheists because they do not talk about God and scripture, i.e apostasy.
That isn't funny.

Question; if in scripture a woman must obey and submit to a man against her will is it rape? Does she have a will?

 

Oh, they definitely do. Just ask them.

Because even countries with no tradition of theistic government have them.

It is secular. Hence the definition.

 

Unfortunately, marriage won’t cure a rapist because many men who have been arrested for rape, were married. Most rapists hate women which is what drives them to their crimes. Misogyny is a powerful force and can often result in violence. Important to note, not all rapists are violent. If a man puts a date rape drug in a woman’s drink, her lack of ability to consent due to her level of consciousness is why it’s considered rape. That’s just one example. If a woman doesn’t want to have sex with her husband for any reason at all, he doesn’t have the “right” to force himself on her. You might feel she is “withholding” sex from him but if he forces himself on her, that would still be rape. Even if no violence is involved.

Many Christians use the Bible to support that sex should be an on demand experience, but I think that is distorting Scripture. Couples should discuss why their sex life is weak or non-existent and find ways to work towards improving it. Rape is never a solution. Remember, Jesus told men to love their wives the way He loved the church.

I’m wondering if you’re getting the marriage bit from Paul (Bible) recommending that if men can’t control their lust, they should marry?

 

No, according Islam, if men can't control their lust, women should cover themselves so as not tempt men. If they show as much as an ankle, they can be whipped.
How's that for laying blame at the doorstep of the innocent party.

 

Agree. I don’t think Jan is using Islam as the basis of his opinions, though.

 

@DMOE..

.. how is it possible for YOU to programme every facet, and every department of YOUR mind, if YOU are YOUR mind?

 

And kidnapper!

 

Just let the bible do all that programming for you? Everyone becomes a walking bible....

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....god help us!

 

Really?

Okay.

Sex wasn’t a part of the equation in Baldeees question. Did you not read it?

Did you not read my response?

You seem to be having comprehension issues.
I wasn’t responding to the notion of a person raping his wife, in that particular segment of the discussion.

So does she lace his food with viagara to get his s penis hard?
Because I’m wondering how she gets her kicks on a soft one.
Do you think he gets erect because he is repulsed by the idea of a woman forcing herself on him?
Or because she has a gun to his head, or a knife to his throat?

 

Please re-read the quote...you seem to have missed the pertinent word "own".

 

How so?
An atheists is simply a person who is without a belief in God/gods.
What does that have to do with talking about rape!

Why do those folks have to be adulterous in first place?

There is nothing in that verse that suggests rape. But let’s break it down before the snowflakes start foaming at the mouth.

virgin not betrothed/ young woman who has not KNOWN a man

lies with her and they are found / getting they freak- on, oversleep and get caught.

then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her / Oops should have kept his penis in his pants.
Now according to that culture, he has to pay a dowry, and marry her, because nobody will want her as she has been soiled. Nobody wants her because their progeny will be messed up. Now he has to marry her without any prospect of divorce.

See, nothing to do with rape.
The rape thing has already been covered in the two verses wegs posted.

I forgot. You’re most probably going to use the word “seized” to back up the idea rape. So let’s look at that word and see what it could possibly mean to help your case.

seize - take hold of suddenly and forcibly.
take (an opportunity) eagerly and decisively.

I’m betting you’re going to seize the word “forcibly” to back your claim. So let’s take a look.

forcibly - using force or violence.
in a forceful way; convincingly.

So you have one shot at this, and that he used violence in order to have sex with her, which if true, is rape.

So let us turn our attention to the context of the verse you posted, versus a verse that actually talk about rape. Namely this one...

But if a man find a betrothed [married]damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: in a forceful way; convincingly then the man only that lay with her shall die:

This verse states that is f it is known that the man raped her, he shall die.
In the verse you quoted it stated the the man shall have to marry the girl, not die.

You have absolutely no grounds to say the verse you quoted is an acceptance of rape.

 

Yes your own mind.
If it is YOUR mind, then it belongs to YOU.
If it belongs to YOU, then it begs the question what are YOU.
My all-caps is not shouting, it is emphasising the difference.
The only thing more profound than that are the questions - What am I, and What is my source.
So you are quite out of order with your analysis of my response, especially as your response to one of the greatest poems that describe what it is to be a real man, was a measely 6 words, which said nothing about the poem, compared to my 10 words, which summed up the whole point and purpose of religion.