The US is the bad guy in the world

So many people know about American imperialism* now that the mainstream media have to acknowledge it.

Bernie Goes Off: "Be Honest" About US Imperialism!




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https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...-34&sk=&cvid=7AE929E3CEB741C4A0FABAAE69D29D5E
https://fas.org/man/smedley.htm
http://mtwsfh.blogspot.com/
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/KillingHope_page.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman/ThirdWorldFascism_ChomHer.html
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...-28&sk=&cvid=20B7E75C7DAC4B7CBC717305CD1D92B4
https://www.globalpolicy.org/empire.html

 

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you have posted under politics
however the subject seems to be more psychology based

are you wanting to keep the discussion specifically on politics ?
(i am not interested in politics, if the subject was sociology i would be quite interested)

 

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The US government overthrows democratically elected leaders and puts puppet dictators in their places who then let American companies exploit their countries. That's obviously political. I've lived abroad for thirty years and outside of the US this is well known. Outside of the US there's nothing more amusing than a group of Americans discussing politics.

 

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do you draw any significant differences between colonialism & imperialism as a function of invasive state control in a foreign culture ?

missionary's for example who hold a passport and citizenry to a specific country
their acts are often argued by some to be acts to imperialism

yet it might be considered more colonialism

however, on a sociological priority, supporting and facilitating a culture would not seem to be imperialism, yet could be termed colonialism to some form.

 

It's neither as the state isn't acting regarding missionaries. It's no different than U.S. citizens retiring abroad and speaking their mind.

It's also no different than Australians moving to the U.S. and speaking their minds. Is that colonialism? No.

 

The two terms seem essentially synonymous to me.

https://www.yourdictionary.com/colonialism
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imperialism


For the purpose of this thread any nuance between the two is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

I suppose it depends on how forceful they are. If they just wander around preaching the way Jehovah's Witnesses do, it's not imperialism.

 

you have missed the point
you must be distracted with something

 

christian out-reach charity's creating food banks & health clinics and small schools
thus assisting the culture to develop, helping them to survive plagues & famine
one could argue it is against the natural order(to play the devils advocate)

is that imperialism or colonialism in your opinion ?(what are your thoughts on that?)

 

That is neither imperialism nor colonialism. That's actual help which is something good.

 

Sure there is! Imagine some tin foil hat conspiracy nutter, going around infesting science forums with his crazy conspiracies.
Particularly when they imagine they are convincing anyone.

 

Tell us what you think of the issue. Do you think that the US overthrows democratically elected presidents and installs puppet dictators in their places who permit American companies to exploit their countries? Do you think that's just a crazy conspiracy theory?

 

What would Smedley Butler do? You've linked to him enough even though he died in 1940.

 

I'm speaking generally with regards to tin foil hat conspiracy nutters, going around infesting science forums with their crazy conspiracies.
Particularly when they imagine they are convincing anyone.
On the USA and this subject, other then Trump being an utter disgrace to US citizens, being a wealthy first world country, it has been known to act with what could be said to be less then diplomatically with regards to others...that has been exemplified with this particular idiot for their leader. Other wealthy countries including Australia, could also be accused of the same thing, with regards to countries less fortunate then them.

 

post a list of democratically elected presidents(non USA ... obviously)

 

obviously...
because, anywhere else, elections are assumed to be non-democratic, and in the US, however corrupted, they're considered democratic

 

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
(excerpts)
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Iran – CIA overthrows the democratically elected Mohammed Mossadegh in a military coup, after he threatened to nationalize British oil. The CIA replaces him with a dictator, the Shah of Iran, whose secret police, SAVAK, is as brutal as the Gestapo.
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Guatemala — CIA overthrows the democratically elected Jacob Arbenz in a military coup. Arbenz has threatened to nationalize the Rockefeller-owned United Fruit Company, in which CIA Director Allen Dulles also owns stock. Arbenz is replaced with a series of right-wing dictators whose bloodthirsty policies will kill over 100,000 Guatemalans in the next 40 years.
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Ecuador — The CIA-backed military forces the democratically elected President Jose Velasco to resign. Vice President Carlos Arosemana replaces him; the CIA fills the now vacant vice presidency with its own man.
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Congo (Zaire) — The CIA assassinates the democratically elected Patrice Lumumba. However, public support for Lumumba’s politics runs so high that the CIA cannot clearly install his opponents in power. Four years of political turmoil follow.
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Dominican Republic — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Juan Bosch in a military coup. The CIA installs a repressive, right-wing junta.
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Brazil — A CIA-backed military coup overthrows the democratically elected government of Joao Goulart. The junta that replaces it will, in the next two decades, become one of the most bloodthirsty in history. General Castelo Branco will create Latin America’s first death squads, or bands of secret police who hunt down "communists" for torture, interrogation and murder. Often these "communists" are no more than Branco’s political opponents. Later it is revealed that the CIA trains the death squads.
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Indonesia — The CIA overthrows the democratically elected Sukarno with a military coup. The CIA has been trying to eliminate Sukarno since 1957, using everything from attempted assassination to sexual intrigue, for nothing more than his declaring neutrality in the Cold War. His successor, General Suharto, will massacre between 500,000 to 1 million civilians accused of being "communist." The CIA supplies the names of countless suspects.
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Chile — The CIA overthrows and assassinates Salvador Allende, Latin America’s first democratically elected socialist leader. The problems begin when Allende nationalizes American-owned firms in Chile. ITT offers the CIA $1 million for a coup (reportedly refused). The CIA replaces Allende with General Augusto Pinochet, who will torture and murder thousands of his own countrymen in a crackdown on labor leaders and the political left.
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Australia — The CIA helps topple the democratically elected, left-leaning government of Prime Minister Edward Whitlam. The CIA does this by giving an ultimatum to its Governor-General, John Kerr. Kerr, a longtime CIA collaborator, exercises his constitutional right to dissolve the Whitlam government. The Governor-General is a largely ceremonial position appointed by the Queen; the Prime Minister is democratically elected. The use of this archaic and never-used law stuns the nation.
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http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Assassinations_WBlum.html

 

In the old days, an empire just rolled over every desirable property with its army and occupied it. That still works sometimes, but you have to hold up fake vials of anthrax and mock up pictures of couldbe missile bases to get the population on board. Mostly, you just call those countries pejorative names, get people used to the idea of their inferiority, carry out some covert ops, bankrupts them and then ride to their rescue on your white helicopters and buy up all their land, food and water.

 

that was recent headlines of some type of public statement by someone recognizing it was potentially "not cricket"
making hey while the sun shines as they say ?
i don't know anything about it

i didnt know the Congo had a democratically elected president ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Crisis

Mobutu was elected by the people voting democratically
or was he appointed ?

is a religious dictatorship
im not sure where you get the idea that iran is a free voting democracy
its candidates are drawn up from the religious ruling partys list of approved people

the last iranian election was the closest they have come to a free democratic election
however, the candidates must be officially approved by the governing religious order

was a collection of tribal entitys inside collective culture trading agreements(archipelago of many different kingdoms, how far back are you going?)
the USA bindded them during WWII to prevent them being completely enslaved by the japanese

notice how you have listed countrys, instead of democratically elected presidents

i didnt ask you to list the countrys where you thought the USA had over thrown someone
because i wanted to establish a set of base facts
base facts you have attempted to avoid
. . .
?

 

That's pretty much the point!

So the US and GB bring back the horrible shah, and keep supporting him even while he terrorizes the people... who eventually support the religious uprising to get rid of him.
Ignorance is a poor excuse for calling people names when they cite historical facts.

 

Here's some stuff that goes into more detail about what the US did in Iran.

8-19-2015 - Tarpley on 1953 CIA-sponsored Coup in Iran
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=iran coup 1953&&view=detail&mid=9F953AEBEE3CDA1B0E289F953AEBEE3CDA1B0E28&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=iran+coup+1953&FORM=HDRSC3

Iran, SAVAK, and the CIA: Financial Support and Training
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=SAVAC Iran torture&&view=detail&mid=4726A4D8919FD3A5F9F04726A4D8919FD3A5F9F0&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=SAVAC+Iran+torture&FORM=HDRSC3