Liars... liars... filthy American Liars

Thanks Jihad, that's more like it. So isn't obvious that this term has negative stereotypes set by the so called enlightened westerns to brake the will and the confidence of any so called eastern or any so called eastern idea........Just because it's easterns related, it must be yucky ideology.

 

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And who said it was yucky? If anyone is being ideologistic here it you!

 

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Misinterpretation

If you see god exactly like those who you criticise because they are wrapped up in a lame idea, then you are lower in intelligence than those people, you are only interested in eating their crap, and I don't blame you others crap don't taste too good.

The idea of believing in a creator or universal order is really not out of this world. It's extremely logical that any intelligent human have to explore that venue as a possibility. The main black box big idea is that the universe was created by a supreme entity that is in higher dimension than all it's creation. People are desperate to simplify that model to understand that they start to justify certain things that they don't understand with garbage. For example, the christians can't justify why their prophet or messanger was so volunarable that a couple of people can grab him and kill him. Instead of taking this as is, they say, his death had a purpose to save us, he is the son, ect....all justifications to explain their unhappiness with the simple facts of life, that man is born and man will die. People want more glory than that, they want to build their portion of heaven while they are on earth, and forget about the important task in hand, which is to build the earth.

If you are only exploring the idea that the universe was not created and forgetting to explore with the same energy the idea that the universe is created, then you are cheating yourself, because for the universe not to have been created, you have to show yourself with great deal of confidence that the creation theory is totally faulty.....So have an open mind....and study old text, but read it for what it is, old text, take the merit of it, and throw the garbage away.

 

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Politics *sigh*

In all the years I have been surfin around the Internet...going into various chat rooms...one subject that never faired well was Politics because each and everyone of us is entitled to our own opinion regardless of what it may be.

All I have to say on this matter is for those men and women that are still out there fighting for what they may or may not believe in..may each and everyone of you come home safely.

 

Fetus :
Your right I do think military strength is superior to a small group of civilians with bombs strapped around the bellies. Look at it this way if Palestinian had people like Gandhi, they would have had their own country decades ago!, of course Israel would still exist because a compromised would be needed. But no Palestinian radicals need to kill off every single jew from their holy land, as a result Israel under constant terrorist attack has sanctioned the Palestinians, repeatedly invaded and devastated the Palestinian and made life pretty bad for the Palestinians, and you say terrorism is a valid strategy? Look at what Terrorism has done to America: Now the USofA runs around invading counties anyone it wants that will make a good scape goat, many of which actually did fund and train terrorist, but more so have oil and trade route that will make our new dictator rulership even more powerful. Did 9/11 get the USofA to look at it self and apologies for its activities in the middle east over the last half a century? Did it get American soldiers off the ?Holy lands? did it do anything helpful what?s so ever for Muslims?

Look first of all it deals with what you are after , you are obviously equating results into purposes you are not aware of ..

You say that military power is superior to small groups , but in what sense ? When military power attacks , it cant find those groups as they are spread around even within own territitory unknown . They cant defend themselves from small groups for the same reason , they cant be seen and hit unexpectingly . A large military can gain controll over another military , over masses of people , over nations . But it cant gain controll over guerilla , its what guerilla is designed for . Guerilla in its turn cant ever seize controll , they are not big enough .

Now first of all , a thing that terrorism can do is actually break down order into anarchy . This has not happened because this was no purpose , because of different reasons for each group .

The Palestinians have as purpose retalliation and scaring Israeli's , i say that worked pretty well . The purpose of terrorism isnt directly bettering the lives of their peoples , its retalliating against the enemy . Indeed surrendring would better their lives , but thats not the most important aim . If that was the most important aim they would have surrendered a long time ago .

Did it scare the Israeli ? Does it seriously retaliate Israel's aggression ? It does , so its succesfull in its purpose .

As for USA , same thing here . What was the purpose ? It was making USA-citizens know they can be touched , and bringing the problems into consciousness .

It was obvious they wouldnt give up because of it , and it was obvious they would be retaliating as well , but the hit was phenomenal . 9-11 wasnt to bring USA down , it was to shake the USA up , and it got shook up did it not ?

Your arguments of how USA striked back , well they would do the same weither you assault them , carpet-bomb them or nuke them is it not correct ? That has little to do with the strategy .

Flores ;
So isn't obvious that this term has negative stereotypes set by the so called enlightened westerns to brake the will and the confidence of any so called eastern or any so called eastern idea........Just because it's easterns related, it must be yucky ideology.

Funny thing , most of what is called Western originates elsewhere . Sure there are some twists and turns , and sure things have grown themselves , but quite similar to other concepts that already existed for centuries . Western philosophy would be characterized more with the way its presented , rather than what subject is presented . What people call sciences they understand as Western , as a product of enlightment . Oftenly they dont understand that peoples from other places got this "enlightment" for ages .

The main black box big idea is that the universe was created by a supreme entity that is in higher dimension than all it's creation.

Have you ever considered the theory that the creation is the creator ? Now do understand that Im not capable of defining what creation is , since Im stuck to my own experience in space-time etc , there can be somuch more that we dont know of . I just dont hold an ideo of theism where the creator can seperate himself from the creation , something making him what you call an entity , he IS . I am that I am . He is being itself ........

God=Everything and Everything=God , whatever everything may be .

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Salaam

 

So what your saying is that terrorism is only for scaring the enemy and that the political cause or repercussion for this activity are not connected? So Palestine should continue terrorizing even though its killing them through Israeli counter invasions? What I have been saying is that the terrorist must have a agenda, now you claim that agenda was only to spite the enemy if thats so then terrorism is very successful at that, but now the terrorist have to watch their fellow citizens suffer horrible for their actions, causing the terrorist only to want to cause more spite, and so the cycle repeats. In the end terrorism does nothing for the people it fights for... in fact the enemy ends up winning because they end up killing all the civilians and there is no one left to breed terrorist, So all terrorism does is kick start the enemy into eradicating you.

 

Terrorism can lead to freedom but only if the opponent's will can be demoralised. Southern Ireland being the prime example.

 

Wrong Once Again

Jhiad.....,

ANS: Let us just hope we don't have to prove just how wrong you are "dude". Your ignorance is getting your supporters wiped out. Two countries down - How many more want to get on the list?

ANS: That is really dumb. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me." Go ahead with your mumbo jumbo voodo crap. You want to jplay with my dick we might make some arrangements. On second though I prefer women.

ANS: Twits want to blow themselves up, we'll give them some help.

 

More?

Jihad......,

ANS: YOu apparently don't read english very well either. I don't have an Allah/God/Bug-Bunny. The fantasies are all yours bubba.

ANS: Its not my ass that gets pointed up in the air several times a day. Is this a favored position or what?

ANS: I don't hate them for their religion. Most actually religious people are gentle and considerate. I'm not predjudice. I am very selective about who I hate and I hate dumbasses that can't think for themselves and would follow some other dumb ass to their death and consider it glory. What a waste.

 

Limited

Flores,

ANS: I am making only a limited reply since 98% of your post is BS.

To this statement I say that is damned easy.

 

Man you are one monster poster. Cheers to all that. You must have typing skills to rival my wife's! I can type somewhat fast but the brain takes longer ya know. Well, that and the family and video games take up the part of my time where I'm not here. Anyway, to the issues:

Good point. You know me man, I almost can't help it. It's just the way my head works. I'm trying to integrate a little broader scope of understanding but it indeed takes time (the rest of my life eh?).

Hehe.. that wouldn't work. Okay, for a while.

It's not like I didn't adress that... knowing that you would bring it up. I was somewhat out of context though, so I think that again you have a point.

From m-w.com
1 a : unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power b : something that oppresses especially in being an unjust or excessive exercise of power

The US does this? I have a hard time defining "just" or "cruel" when everyone is out for themselves. It's dog eat dog man, what is just or cruel in terms of governments? IMO, when it comes to raw survival basically anything goes. The problem is that as your "standard of living" increases, generally your "standard of what you perceive to be survival" increases. I realize you're talking about survival, I'm just saying that the oppresion you percieve is rooted in a sense of protection of lives.... peoples WAY of life becomes their life - they then protect it as if it were survival. I believe that's just the way humans work isn't it?

I seem to notice a little contradiction here, may I ask: What percentage of the populous do you think is actually capable of "decent management"? I'm not sure I am.

I still beg to differ on the trail of who is guilty of doing it. I'm sure you've already done this, but do you mind pointing me to a credible trail that demonstrates how the US is such a huge oppressor, and further how the members who take part in the political and economic system of the country they were born in are oppressors too?

Inherently, both.

What's the difference? Regardless someone is going to be 'upper class' compared to someone else. Not because of resources.. because of the value the individuals place on the resources. I understand what you mean regarding food, but most of the lower class (as a percentage of the worldwide population) HAS food. There is certainly enough food to go around, but warlord jackwads sell it to buy nukes. Surely not all of them were put in power by the US... and if they were, did better options exist? I mean... if I put a ghandi in as the leader of an insane country, what good does it do if he is killed the next day?

So vindictive. Sheez.

Certainly. Do you mean 35000 DIE from starvation or go hungry?

They are there because some people WANT them to be there. We only differ on who we think wants them really eh?

Oh man I just don't have the time at the moment. Too much. We can discuss it another time.

That's highly debatable. The US sends more "foreign aid" than any country in the world too. No credit eh? Thankless bastard. You're right though, it only funds warlords, etc. It seems a bit unfair though that you hold us as imperialists if we topple regimes and then call us oppressors for 'allowing' bad regimes to exist. Make up your mind damnit.

Are you sure? You're talking as a percent of the whole right?

Hey I've seen a lot of patriotic ferver indicating the same thing! We're #1 baby!

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It seems silly though man. You blaming the US for all the problems. Aren't some things just problems? People suck dude, why are you blaming US for the majority of it? Sure we're the richest nation, but inherently some nation has to be eh?

The problem isn't resources. It's distribution right? Well eventually it becomes resources. The earth IS finite right? There is only so much land.

Further, have you ever considered the logistical problem of distributing resources all across the globe? It's insanely complicated. There will be an inherent innefficiency. To my view up till now.. the value of that innefficiency can be measured by the number of people who starve every day. That's about 0.000583 percent starving on a daily basis. This is about 5833.33 people per million (based on population of 6 billion). Granted that's a lot of people, but considering the complexity of the problem I'd say it's decent numbers. I'm not heartless, it's about mathematics, right Jihad Allah?

 

Jihad_AlifLamLamHah

Modern underground complexes and cities , what movies have you been watching lately , or do you just mean subways ? Dont worry , you dont hold monopoly on those .

Anyways , how exactly did u go from nuking planet earth to modern underground city's ? Just like that ? Before such a thing there's total war my friend , I dont think you're national identity is gonna prevail .

during the cold war the countries involved built hundreds of massive underground hardened complexes mt thunder crystal mountain the pit asgard to name a few these sites are manned and operational mt thunder has over 200 miles of tunnels and manmade caverns which contain every thing from nuclear reactors, hydroponics, and manufacturing facilities to communications and laboratories for r&d.

"Satellites ? There are 6BILLION peoples on this planet , what do you think CIA is this super Big Brother with superior knowledge like in 1984 ? Get real , they're dicks all of'em (xcept for Mossad) , what bases ? No government needs to harbor anything since nobody is known to be somewhere , who are you Batman ? "

where will the terrorist recruits get their training from?
the only time any one finds out about a CIA operation is when it goes wrong. other wise it looks like natural causes or some one else did it.

also as to Intel would you kindly remember that the us allowed the attack on pearl harbor so that the Japanese would not know that we had broken their code.

"And why are you adressing me as them ? Im not Islamic fundamentalist who plots terrorist assaults , Im just a simple Muslim scholar who tries to gain knowledge ."

I was addressing the post not the person.
most Islamic fundamentalist that I have met toughly denounce the terrorists as cowards.


with respect

right back at ya

do i detect sarcasim?

with respect

 

grimreaper

during the cold war the countries involved built hundreds of massive underground hardened complexes mt thunder crystal mountain the pit asgard to name a few these sites are manned and operational mt thunder has over 200 miles of tunnels and manmade caverns which contain every thing from nuclear reactors, hydroponics, and manufacturing facilities to communications and laboratories for r&d.

Yes Ive heard these stories , but I always have labled them on conspiracy-mumbo jumbo . Thing is is if I dont have any serious proof of it its toomuch of a Bat-cave idea . I know there were some nice things on Tora Bora , but serious facilities to protect a peoples or nations from radioactivity as you implied with "underground city's" , if you have actual backup for these claims Id love to hear about it . Like where are they located , and what countries exactly in the cold war since there are quite a few .

where will the terrorist recruits get their training from?
the only time any one finds out about a CIA operation is when it goes wrong. other wise it looks like natural causes or some one else did it.


what training ? See thats your problem right there , you arent aware of the fact that this "terrorist" system of Islamic resistance has 2 sides , and you think they're the same , but in reality they differ immensly . What you are aiming at are camps for recruits that go into war , they are not striking in the west as they are busy establishing Islamic states through guerilla warfare in Muslim countries . They fought in Chechnya , Afghan , Kosovo , Bosnia , Kashmir etc .

You can destroy their camps all you want , they're not the ones exploding themselves in a mall . Sure training can be a nice additional thing , and it is since the assaults up untill now on western targets have been done by peoples who HAVE received training in some way , but how necesarry is it ? Do they need some uniform and some place to act like guerilla and train ? No , nobody needs that . They can work out fine in a fitness-centre , they can act all guerilla in their rented room all they want , when it comes to commiting such assaults it isnt about militancy as known in guerilla , its about precision and knowledge . You dont need a camp to make a bomb , you dont need a camp to detonate it . All you need is knowledge and a cause . So what can you do ? Check out all Muslims everywhere in the West , who are maybe having terrorist plots ? Through what , the internet ? lol , a lost battle . Your "we'll smoke em out" theory wont work , you only sufficates yourself .

Before CIA or whoever wants to take action , they have to have intelligence . They dont have such intelligence , they're good at spying on russians , not identifying terrorists . If they were they could have stopped 9-11 , perhaps to the public it was a major surprise , to the CIA not .

also as to Intel would you kindly remember that the us allowed the attack on pearl harbor so that the Japanese would not know that we had broken their code.

So you do suggest some sort of "letting it happen" on 9-11 ? I dont think even if they did (and I dont think they did) that it would matter as its not in their power .

I was addressing the post not the person.
most Islamic fundamentalist that I have met toughly denounce the terrorists as cowards.


Perhaps this is adressed to the post as well , in that case excuse my taking it adressed to my person : Im not what they call Islamic fundamentalists .

Nice that you think what the fundies' opinion is on "terrorism" , but you're terribly wrong . I am curious though , how exactly would a fundie be interested in informing you what his opinion is on this terrorism ? Please know that the martyr's are hero's , not only with the fundy but with the average Muslim in the Islamic world as well .

do i detect sarcasim?

Only if you detect it in your own post .

 

James :

I thought the aim was to achieve a self-governed Palestinian homeland.

Do you really think that terrorism is getting the Palestinians any closer to achieving that goal?

My impression is that the closest things have ever come to achieving that is when peace talks and diplomatic negotiations have been happening. The problem is that as soon as sensible, well-meaning people from both sides start to talk peace, militants like yourself immediately seek to derail the process. Clearly, you don't really want peace; you just want to continue your useless wars.


You can shove it on several occasions you have not witnessed my opinion on , the thing however is that youm dont really seem to be aware on what the situation is today . Do I want peace ? Ofcourse I want peace , why wouldnt I want peace ? Do I want surrender ? No I dont want surrender ? Is peace and surrender the same in this situation ? Yes it is .

Before you start wandering about if I ant peace , you should wonder if peace its what is gained through this "peaceplan" .
Do you expect to have fought for all these years with all these deaths for nothing ? Why not surrender at first then , why resistance in the first place , why not say "Israel please do whatever you wish we're not fighting you anymore" , thats not what the peopels of Palestine deserve after all what they have been through . Do they want to surrender ? If so then fine , but they dont . The problem is that they are stuck into interests that are totally independant of their own , but that do have a major effect and that they can identify themselves with . Its seems that identification with resistance is much greater than with surrender , please dont be fooled by this "man of peace" Sharon ........

 

Yes Ive heard these stories

the ones i have named i have named because i have been there.
the pit layes under sac-norad in omaha nebraska its location is no secret there is also one in alabama which was shown after 911 presedent bush gave a press confrence at its entrance.

Nice that you think what the fundies' opinion is on "terrorism" , but you're terribly wrong . I am curious though , how exactly would a fundie be interested in informing you what his opinion is on this terrorism ?

i have many freinds who are Muslim and claim to be fundamentalist. Two of them had lost family memebers in the 911 attack.

as to the attack on the idf in palistine I personaly believe that they where valid targets for hamass military action. I do not think children and noncombatants are valid targets of agression for any honerable warrior and only a coward would target inocents.

with respect

 

Wes
You must have typing skills to rival my wife's! I can type somewhat fast but the brain takes longer ya know.

My brain and typing are always having a race , and on subjects like these and politicals in general my mind is quite already explored and understood by myself , so its not like Im really making things up as in philosophizing ...... but more like re-checking files .

As its all on a high gear , I hardly spent that much time on it as one would expect .

Good point. You know me man, I almost can't help it. It's just the way my head works. I'm trying to integrate a little broader scope of understanding but it indeed takes time (the rest of my life eh?).

I think its great for it to work that way , mine does the same thing , but I always have a pretty strict line between philosophy and reality , and when things hit reality Im Stalinizing matters if you know what I mean . I mean in the end as far as I can understand , it doesnt matter even if the entire globe explodes , so who cares about oppression ? We couldnt even properly define it as a complete concept , the psychological question is one that wont ever be answered (one can be suffering more from heart-break than another from starving based on his personal experience on the matters) and more importantly we dont know if it matters or not , maybe to the personal self , but does it to us ? Do we base ourselves on what matters to them , if we're not and we're objective we're ending up doing absolutely nothing usefull then as its their welfare we would be after , and they might feel different about everything .

So as long as we think that physical suffering has some mistery-authority over psychological , we should save oppression-ontology and epistemology for what it is , and concern ourselves with solving and explaing the matters on a political level when that is our aim to begin with .

Hehe.. that wouldn't work. Okay, for a while.

My point was quite practical , but if we bring it back to theory : lets say this orwellian totalitarian country has manipulated its citizens into believing that suffering=pleasure/nirvana , they are all barely alive starving suffering etc , to keep that wonderfull nirvana position , and they are all totally happy . Are they oppressed then ? I think they are , but they obviously wont agree , so they're not . I mean as long as they dont experience it as opression , they're not oppressed correct ?

From m-w.com
1 a : unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power b : something that oppresses especially in being an unjust or excessive exercise of power

The US does this? I have a hard time defining "just" or "cruel" when everyone is out for themselves. It's dog eat dog man, what is just or cruel in terms of governments? IMO, when it comes to raw survival basically anything goes. The problem is that as your "standard of living" increases, generally your "standard of what you perceive to be survival" increases. I realize you're talking about survival, I'm just saying that the oppresion you percieve is rooted in a sense of protection of lives.... peoples WAY of life becomes their life - they then protect it as if it were survival. I believe that's just the way humans work isn't it?

Eventually the masses of peoples who finance opression (weither they are conscious of it or not) and who give it political direction are the oppressors . The peoples of USA are more involved in this than any other peoples , the question of just and cruel doesnt depend on their intention . What is unjust and cruel is how people are suffering , it doesnt depend on the intention of those who are eventually responsible for the suffering , they can be the nicest peoples on earth ........ ignorance and intention isnt always an excuse .

I understand that its just how peoples work , indeed protecting their ways of live (weither its of high or low standards , they adapt to it and accept it as normality) , thing is this system has oppression as a result in the political context of what is capitalism and has lead into imperialism . Trading slaves used to be normal as well , it was also simply peoples way to deal with matters , by your reasoning that should have been permitted as well since thats just how peoples were back then (and in certain ways still are) , but now it is considered wrong how they just were back than , and I consider it wrong how they are right now . Just because something just IS , doesnt mean its to be accepted .

I know you did thing is

I seem to notice a little contradiction here, may I ask: What percentage of the populous do you think is actually capable of "decent management"? I'm not sure I am.

Actually being capable , hardly anybody . Having the potential to be capable , almost everybody . So I think there is possibility for them to improve , but the original premis ofcourse lies in the fact that they are responsible for their team . If you dont want to carry responsibility for your team , you shouldnt become a player . As people are rational creatures , or at least they have an amazing potential to be , and they dont seem to have much problems using their intellect to better themselves (in their own welfare and lives) , they prove capability to applicate intelligence on a specific subject . Problem here is the motivation , as you already stated its a survival-thing , and they survive fine without caring for others , they use their intelligence for that what is necesarry for them to survive , as proposed by their psychology's and lead through emotions , which is nothing but psychological egoism , and they're totally right in it , thats how the evolutionary system works , thats how nature works , but I simply dont agree with the result of it . It should be altered .

I dont agree with them having this "natural" link , but in the meantime create an unnatural system that ensures this natural link to prevail . If they wish for "how things work" , then lets get back to the primitive and anarchy , I have no problem with that . My problem lies with the middle , its either nature or fabrication , not both .

I still beg to differ on the trail of who is guilty of doing it. I'm sure you've already done this, but do you mind pointing me to a credible trail that demonstrates how the US is such a huge oppressor, and further how the members who take part in the political and economic system of the country they were born in are oppressors too?

Dude its an entire complex and the way is shown by the $ . Follow the $ , follow it from how it leaves your pocket and how it goes around the globe . You wil see what it causes if you are willing to take an honest look . As for politically , Im sure that needs little example , $ is the biggest Stalinist my friend . Its only purpose is to survive notmatter what .

The reasons that regimes are able to be in power is because they have capability , this capability comes from being in a position to function for the ones who are able to provide weapons , like the USA .

I came across some nice articles though :

http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/MJ98/silverstein.html
http://www.corpwatch.org/news/PND.jsp?articleid=1791
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/African_Studies/Urgent_Action/apic-082100a.html

And I really know this site you really gonna love : http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/ChronologyofTerror.html

Or how about Noam ? http://www.epsilonpress.se/ncnyterror/ncinter011101.htm

I do hope you wont bother with source-refutation .

Inherently, both.

Not really my management is pretty good concerning what goes out , the oppressive relation I have with the oppressed is minimized and I make up for what remains by exploiting my prosperous position with proper management .

And I see every dollar used to oppress and oppressor to be worth at least half of a dollar used to releave the oppression from the oppressed .

What's the difference? Regardless someone is going to be 'upper class' compared to someone else. Not because of resources.. because of the value the individuals place on the resources.

Ofcourse there''s always this relation , but its only when the differences become relevant (very huge) that im pointing at . You having 10 $ and me 11 doesnt make me a relevant upperclass , now does it ?

And indeed it deals with the values peoples place on resources , thats a capitalistic problem , the efficient value of a product is totally different than what a person makes it worth .

I understand what you mean regarding food, but most of the lower class (as a percentage of the worldwide population) HAS food. There is certainly enough food to go around, but warlord jackwads sell it to buy nukes. Surely not all of them were put in power by the US... and if they were, did better options exist? I mean... if I put a ghandi in as the leader of an insane country, what good does it do if he is killed the next day?

Well first of all there might be SOME food everywhere but its not equally divided , not just because of warlords etc but because of luxury from the other side as well , taking much more than necesarry etc .

No not all warlords are put in power by USA , first of all during cold war they all had a function , if u have 2 powers in one country one was USSR and one was USA , so thats 50% of the warlords just for political purposes . But far beyond this , is the economical value of warlords . They provide you with things which USA agrees with , the ruby's , the oil ...... where does it go ? The are accepting these peoples (oftenly who they indeed installed themselves) as proper business partners , while these peoples murder their own just for $ . Because in the end thats what they are really , just huge consumers . Be it on weapons , be it on nukes , be it on just fancy cars or whatever . Its a system , and the USA has the most power within this system . They have somuch power that not only can they simply cut everybody out of the system , they can also totally make a new system if they would want . But they rather bomb countries for oil and Israel , than for the peoples .

As for putting up a ghandi , who says that ghandi cant be strong ? Nobody needs such a peacenik for his relation with criminals , but for relation with his peoples . Its all about interests , and they have made entire ethnical and religious wars out of it , 12 year old childsoldiers killing villages while totally high on crack ..... its sickening .

And not only has USA a large responsibility in this as it has a relevant degree of cause , it also has all power in the world to stop it . But thing is , thats not in their interest ..... not in the interest of the mighty dollar .

Did you know that peoples suffer horrifically from aids because they cant pay medication ? Did you know they cant pay medication because bigt medicine companies hold patent on everything and nobody cant compete (there goes the capitalist ideal) ....... capitalism only works within socialism my friend , otherwise its simply oppression .

So vindictive. Sheez.

what can I say I really really dont like rich peoples
Also I think the actions I mentioned are rather described functional than vindictive . Sure Ill enjoy watching them work in the Gulag

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, but they're gonna be seriously providing some man-power than is very handy as well .

Do you mean 35000 DIE from starvation or go hungry?

They DIE . 35.000 every day . thats 350.000 in 10 days and 3.500.000 in 100 days . 75-85% are infants and children under 5 .

And thats just because of starvation .........
Then here's desease , murder etc

They are there because some people WANT them to be there. We only differ on who we think wants them really eh?

Its obvious that those who want them there have $ interests of them being there , is it not ?

That's highly debatable. The US sends more "foreign aid" than any country in the world too. No credit eh? Thankless bastard.

come on now man , we know that foreign aid is a damn joke . Ofcourse USA brings in most , they're the richest country on the planet . But Im not thanking a millionaire giving me a buck , especially not when all his bucks come from me through some warlord , and the warlord gets the buck anyways like you mention later on .

It seems a bit unfair though that you hold us as imperialists if we topple regimes and then call us oppressors for 'allowing' bad regimes to exist. Make up your mind damnit.

No man , dont bring me falacious compares . Its not the toppling of Saddam , its WHY Saddam is toppled . You're the ones installing him , thats error #1 . You should have corrected this error on day 2 . You fought war with him because he threatned your Kuweit oil and the Saudi fields (what a wonderfull motivation) , you could chase him out then but you left him and you left the Shiaa (your "allies" ) to die at his hands . You're the cause for the major Shiaa-Sunni conflict that has been going on for the last 40 years , its the french/brits who designed the country this horrible way , its you who seriously made it a ruthless dictatorship and opressor .

And now that Israel is whining and the oil lures once more , you attack it to "liberate" it ? Liberation my ass man

Go and attack the continent of Africa , cleanse the place of its criminals and warlords and install a peacefull government that does good to its people and keep them there like you have kept the warlords there , and nobody would whine imperialist this or that .

There's a difference between liberation , and adapting its policy into your interests .

Are you sure? You're talking as a percent of the whole right?

What do you mean ?


Hey I've seen a lot of patriotic ferver indicating the same thing! We're #1 baby! It seems silly though man. You blaming the US for all the problems. Aren't some things just problems? People suck dude, why are you blaming US for the majority of it? Sure we're the richest nation, but inherently some nation has to be eh?

You're not the richest nation because you worked so hard bro , you're the richest nation because you oppress others . Like I said USA aint the only one , but they'r ethe most relevant one ..... especially when it comes to actuality . As for the "some nation gotta be " logic , so some nation gotta be the crulest as well ? Other nation the craziest as well and nuke you ? Doesnt that matter ? Ofcourse it does , its not that you're the richest nation thats the problem , its the relationships with other nations and how you have become the richest nation . And again , its not just your economical system , its your agressive political system as well . Dont think you're system is so much better than Fascism or Stalinism , it is to YOU yes .

Nothing is "just" a problem , its not rocks fall out of the air on our heads that makes people suffer , its other peoples . And the fact that peoples can spread their system of oppression over a huge amount of players/causes , doesnt mean its less of an oppression , in the end it leads to an obvious and easy identifable concept : Western Imperialsm .

The problem isn't resources. It's distribution right? Well eventually it becomes resources. The earth IS finite right? There is only so much land.

In the end , but thats not a concern relevant for understandings todays problem .

Further, have you ever considered the logistical problem of distributing resources all across the globe? It's insanely complicated. There will be an inherent innefficiency. To my view up till now.. the value of that innefficiency can be measured by the number of people who starve every day. That's about 0.000583 percent starving on a daily basis. This is about 5833.33 people per million (based on population of 6 billion). Granted that's a lot of people, but considering the complexity of the problem I'd say it's decent numbers. I'm not heartless, it's about mathematics, right Jihad Allah?

Yes indeed its all about mathematics , mathematics includes space not just time my friend . There isnt really an equal geographical distribution is it now ? There isnt a logistical problem , there is a $ problem . Its not coincidence that your logicstic work just fine while others are "complicated" , thats because yours are funded well because they are going to make more $ .

Its decent numbers yes , if it would be devided equally .

 

Grimm
the ones i have named i have named because i have been there.

Well great , but can they ensure the safety of 280 M Americans ?
Are they self-providing if there wouldnt be any possibility of an outside life ? What exactly is their purpose ?

So I assume also that all those states in cold war who have this , has become only USA ?

i have many freinds who are Muslim and claim to be fundamentalist. Two of them had lost family memebers in the 911 attack.

Well you cant expect someone to be pro this if they actually lost family , now could you ? Thats because BIAS is the main factor at such confrontations .

As for them being fundie , Im dont believe there actaully even exists Islamic fundamentalism in USA , in any ways not as in ME or in certain communities in Europe . Small chance that you happened to find 2 , do they believe you should stone a woman who has cheated her man as well , that your hand should be cut off if you steal ? I dont think so ..... perhaps they tend to be very religiously motivated and thats why they call themselves fundamentalist , but thats a different thing . I can understand how you misunderstood .....

If they would be fundies , they wouldnt be your friends .......

as to the attack on the idf in palistine I personaly believe that they where valid targets for hamass military action. I do not think children and noncombatants are valid targets of agression for any honerable warrior and only a coward would target inocents.

First of all they wounded and killed peoples who were innocents . Just because its a "side-effect" rather than the intentional cause , doesnt makie it any-better , they know of the risks have you seen the rockets shot on tv ? Everything was taped , have you seen the peoples who got hit by it ?

1)children : You're totally correct
2)non-combatants . I dont think people should get a time out as they dont wear arms at the moment .

Anyways the only thing you may get out of this is to prove cowardice , you can be correct yes . Are there any other better options that have result and are not foolish ? I rather be a coward than a fool .

Perhaps you could also consider the system that is needed for this cowardice to accur , instead of marking a dead with simple ethics just like that .

 

Mac
Let us just hope we don't have to prove just how wrong you are "dude". Your ignorance is getting your supporters wiped out. Two countries down - How many more want to get on the list?

Its not 9-11 that motivated Iraq , or do you believe your government is just as stupid as you are ? It seems so , as you actually believe Saddam is a supporter of UBL .........
Shows how little u know

That is really dumb. "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me." Go ahead with your mumbo jumbo voodo crap.

If you're aware of that , then why the hell are you informing peoples with your wonderfull powers ? Who cares how much you weigh and what you can do ?

You want to jplay with my dick we might make some arrangements

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Twits want to blow themselves up, we'll give them some help

I know you provide the location .

YOu apparently don't read english very well either. I don't have an Allah/God/Bug-Bunny. The fantasies are all yours bubba.

Apparently your an idiot , because you are the only one in here that is whining about these fantasees , because im not having them . You're the one obsessed with their non-existence , thats even worse than those who are obsessed with their existence .

Its not my ass that gets pointed up in the air several times a day. Is this a favored position or what?

Please stop opinionating on things you dont understand , or have any knowledge of .

I hate dumbasses that can't think for themselves and would follow some other dumb ass to their death and consider it glory. .

How about idiots that follow an entire system of stupidity into their deaths for the reasons of "saddm=bad" , "patriotism" and : its just a job .

Maybe the martyrs are wrong or maybe they are right , and they are stupid for killing themeselves anyways , but at least they have a serious Ideal a determination and consciousness of what they are doing and why . You're military's just there ...... God only knows why . Most say it pays nicely and you get to go places

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Fetus

So what your saying is that terrorism is only for scaring the enemy and that the political cause or repercussion for this activity are not connected?

No , but thats how they are using it . Its obvious that you cant gain peace by inflicting terror .

So Palestine should continue terrorizing even though its killing them through Israeli counter invasions?

Do they have any other option ? There are no other ways of fighting such an enemey , there is no power , and doing nothing means surrender , surrendering is not an option , what these peoples have been through cant just be for nothing .

What I have been saying is that the terrorist must have a agenda, now you claim that agenda was only to spite the enemy if thats so then terrorism is very successful at that, but now the terrorist have to watch their fellow citizens suffer horrible for their actions, causing the terrorist only to want to cause more spite, and so the cycle repeats. In the end terrorism does nothing for the people it fights for... in fact the enemy ends up winning because they end up killing all the civilians and there is no one left to breed terrorist, So all terrorism does is kick start the enemy into eradicating you

I understand your point completely , and I agree ..... but it works this way because personal interests are involved . For instance Hamas , what can they do ? If they are gonna use terrorism to bring down Israel , there's a big chance they might fail , and if they win they'll be very weak , maybe to weak to continue existing . So they wont use terrorism for that , but for other things . They use it as a weapon to show that they have power , and that they CAN hit you . I think you're not getting anywhere with this you hit me and then I hit you game , but how they are using this weapon .

Now I dont think it would automatically lead into be eradicated either , because obviously the conventional powers dont workl any different / Dont you think the so powerfull army of Israel can run over Hamas , and even chase them all the way through Syria ? Problem is there are risks involved peoples arent willing to take , so they dont use their weapons that way . Just like terrorists are affraid to face conventionalists , conventionalists are affraid to face terrorists .

No it doesnt get anyone anywhere , but what does ? Surrender ?