COVID-19 Source: Will we ever know?

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  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    An article published today by the ABC reveals the dilemma faced by scientists attempting to discover the source of this virus.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/...-cov-2--science-gene-cluster-control/12229292

    Take outs:
    • The Pangolin is unlikely to be the source or intermediate host.
      • New research from China has found pangolins, including two groups of sick Malayan pangolins, are natural hosts of coronaviruses, including some related to SARS-CoV-2. But the researchers say the scaly anteaters are unlikely the direct source of the coronavirus outbreak in humans.
    • The evidence suggests strongly that no intermediate host was involved.
      • "What we can say is that the evidence very, very strongly points to a single jump from a non-human reservoir into the human population."
    • The often referred to Bat genetic sample that implicates them was taken in the 1900's and does not pass directly to humans.
      • "We know that the closest relative of this virus that we have from samples is bats, but we date the closest ancestor that we have which was sampled from a bat to be anywhere in the 1900s." But if it did come from bats, how did it pass into humans?
    • All findings are yet to be subject to peer review.
    It is a good article and worth a read if interested.
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    News Today... 27-06-2020 SBS
    Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona wastewater collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona says.

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scienti...in-spanish-wastewater-collected-in-march-2019

    Suffice to say, that just because the virus was first identified in Wuhan China doesn't mean necessarily it originates there.
     
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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    like the spanish flu
     
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  7. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Let's wait until this is peer reviewed before drawing any conclusions.
     
  8. river

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    Wrong , Wrong .

    No Lets read the paper for ourselves .
     
  9. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Be sure to post a link, OK?
     
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  10. river

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    I leave it to exchemist to do just that . When the paper comes out .
     
  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Love it!!! just read the paper for ourselves!!!

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    I mean this coming from an ignorant person, that did not know the Moon rotates on its axis, nor that Dihydrogen Monoxide was good for you. Post a link?? I mean it is near certain, he would be unable to read the paper, let alone peer review it....Self delusional psychoticism on river's part is what I diagnose sadly.
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    It seems obvious by their actions that 'some' governments simply ignored the worlds leading adviser on viruses when bill gates made several open presentations about it.
    the plain open and bold faced politicization of the virus has directly set, designed & maintains & supported campaign to oppose any collective actions to follow the leading scientific minds on pandemic preparedness.

    Are al the political leaders going to be denied access to a hospital if they get sick ?
    no !
    of coarse not
    only the poor tax payers will be

    so the dice is squarely loaded

    unfortunately 'some' countrys have created & moralized the profiteering of war as a legitimate process of capitalism & then labelled it democracy.

    the more deaths, the more power they get & the more opportunity for profit

    that system wont simply change over night because millions die
    quite the reverse

    metoo
    BLM

    are symptomatic signs of a failed system that refuses to evolve
    like a criminal that refuses to rehabilitate

    bringing us to the question "how do we stop something we want to ignore & pretend doesn't exist"
    the real question of many 1st world people
    like the anti-vaxer people denying polio small pox German measles mumps , just to name the 1st that come to mind

    look at HPV
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine

    are the anti vaxers & conspiracy flu theorists denying this vaccine to their own pubescent daughters ?
    are their mothers agreeing to this ?

    are there any sane people asking sane questions ?

    if we swap this out for plague circa 1500's
    can it be stopped from evolution ?
    i dont think so
    that is part of the problem with the religious crazys & their anti science campaign

    they wish to dictate what is fact by dictating what is truth
    so they control peoples minds by dictating what is fact by being the dictator of facts & truth
    the weaponisation of "truth"

    and you see it being used in 1st world country and the thousands dying because of it

    imagine what a mutation in herpes might do
    considering it is in the majority of the human species
    if it hits humans the same as it hits fish by denying the lungs the ability to convert oxygen
    the death toll would be likely 30% of a 65% ratio of modern population
    which is roughly 1 in 5 people dying within 1 to 2 years

    irony
    like bat viruses ?
    specially when they are eaten with chop sticks

    how many people are actively spreading KHV ?
    what will that do if it species jumps ?

    if you get a group of idiots to stand together and point at the stupidest one of the group how does it help ?
    now people are suggesting giving those same idiots hand guns

    how is that helping ?
    it is likely it has been inside human populations for some time
    probably refining its ability's
    how do you prevent poverty is the same question if people are forced to eat bush meat when there is a global lack of ability to disperse the food.
    there is no shortage of food for the people
    just a shortage of leaders & citizens who wish to make sure people dont starve.

    so moralising the "how can we prevent"
    is asking the same question as
    "should we have universal health care/food/housing/education"
    the crazys are the same crazys
     
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  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    ... keeping in mind religious crazys & war profiteers wish to maintain the virus as being an un avoidable un knowable divine intervention or evil devils plague
    it supports their fascist hold on the power of weaponizing truth by dictating what is fact & what is science

    it wont be helpful to providing solutions to endlessly engage in such debate with such people
    even if some of those fake themselves by material obsession to fake their religious craziness to be some type of modernized dogma
    e.g
    "im so modern and with-it because im lost in greed for modern tech materialism and i use it as a social metaphor to relate to heathens"
     
  14. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    longest un broken incubation group
    verses
    where the original mutation happened

    a wet market in a poorer area is much more likely to have long term un broken incubation
    more so when culture
    be that anti-vaxer or herbal or lack of hand washing
    nose picking or lack of sexual health services
    exists
    ...
    like STD's & STD's being highest in hard core religious groups & poor high density suburban areas

    apology's for not condensing my posts into a single post

    on one hand you have conspiracy theorists actively trying to spread carp virus to kill off carp
    on the other hand they are the same people trying to blame some culture for a virus mutation based on cultural practice while they actively promote xenophobia

    then everyone is supposed to join in their game of playing point the finger at someone else
    when there has been media campaigns to validate no action required

    ...
    so many different conversations
    very few of them sane & logical & not geared to profiteer off mass death of the low income working class

    i have chatted with adults whom think it is possible that covid19 was a deliberate population control event.
    some whom think it was Chinese
    some whom think it was us
     
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  15. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    From what I can gather from news reports and the news bulletin put out by the university itself, they got a +ve result on one waste water sample in March 2019, but not on any of the other samples from that period that they tested.

    Some people therefore suspect a sample contamination issue, or a false +ve due to detecting some similar but different coronavirus. It looks as if this is a finding that needs to be corroborated in some way before conclusions are drawn.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    being a bit cynical are we?
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    media & politics follow the noise of the people regardless of the facts, science & evidence because they are interested in the people agreeing that they maintain fascist control.

    when media present scientific facts & research as argumentative subjective take-it-or-leave-it religiously toned material it is a clear sign the media has become just another extremist voice seeking zealots.

    many people want reassurance
    soft words
    non confrontational science
    to be told they are doing the right thing & justified even when they clearly are not
    and they also want to blame someone
    say it is someone else's fault, and then try and get some free money from it

    like blaming china

    totally useless thing to do when the USA has stopped funding the who & chosen freely to ignore the worlds leading intellectual giant(bill gates) whom has spent hundreds of millions of virus research

    viruses do not really care who is in office or playing with media head lines
    it just continues trying to refine its ability to spread.

    it appears clear that USA crazies thought that it was not their problem because they called the virus "politics"
    so they thought if they didn't vote for it, it would just disappear

    the usa is politicizing the virus & trying to cover up the deaths
    now it is trying to blame china

    lock down was lifted too soon because lock down was controlled by the rich psychopaths instead of the medical professionals & public servants

    the 2nd wave is taking off like a rocket

    now ...
    while some may play the American litigious game of try and get free money by blaming someone
    the virus continues un checked in the USA

    and ... more is the point, the longer it runs un checked the more likely it is to mutate & then re-infect other countrys
    though south American poverty will probably do a faster job of that

    south American bury all their dead
    around their rivers & drinking water
    water tables etc
    India burns theirs
    and american allows the live virus to re-circulate

    throwing millions playing international blame games for political Egos is not going to help solve the pandemic or the 2nd wave or the third wave, or the next mutation.
    there is no moral equity for playing the blame game
    it wont serve anyone anything except those who live above normal society

    like watching small children destroy the family house and set fire to it while people yell on saying "boys will be boys, you must let them sort it out themselves"

    its 2020 i am not trying to be cynical

    i could do though to show you the difference but not today.
     
  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    mathematics
    what is possible to know
    what is known to be knowable
    what is possible to hide from being known
    what is reasonable capable of narrowing down the unknown to direct knowledge to know what is not known.

    THAT is your answer
    but when people are seeking to manipulate the truth & manipulate science & facts, then it is incapable of delivering pure logic
    and only pure logic will narrow down the fields to show which box it came from as a best guess
    keeping in mind America has vilified scientists
    ...

    this is practical cynicalism/cynicism
    India burns its dead virus = mutates to be more heat resistant and spreads
    south America lets its virus rot in water
    it develops immunity to mold & lack of oxygen
    America allows its virus to spread & re cycle in its previously infected community's with high levels of anti bacterials and anti viral s
    it develops immunity's to anti virals
    African swine flu through south east asia in high covid infection zones makes the dna merger with covid 19 & becomes swine corona upping its kill rate by several factors and possibly attaching to fat cells in some way
     
  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Xactly - the first known case of THAT was in in Camp Funston, Kansas - with doctors later claiming they had seen it in other parts of Kansas before they knew what it was.
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    cynicism ?

    unlike 1st world crematoriums
    india uses wood fires to burn its dead
    the lower the income the lower the heat of the fire from the lower quality of the wood.

    fascinatingly ... south America
    burys its dead while it has slums and cant afford land for healthy housing

    south east asia has had swine flu in it for maybe 2 years and will have covid19 re circulating right now
    all those village style wet market processes normalised into both those viruses

    what if covid19 makes the jump to a malaria type ?
    maintains its kill ratio
    maintains its-incubation/a-symptomatic period of 2 weeks
    but becomes chronic blood resident ?

    watch dengue & nile river virus moving through the southern states of the usa

    will covid19 make the DNA merger with swine flu & becomes a multi protein bonding long life saliva & air born ?
    will it become impervious to rotting meat and develop a mutation to allow it to breed in rotting flesh ?

    will it matter where it first jumped if it jumps to this while everyone is playing hide the sausage ?

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...demic-potential-increasingly-found-pigs-china

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  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Please stop.
     
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  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    1) COVID-19 is not the name of the pathogen
    2) The pathogen responsible for COVID-19 is SARS-CoV-2. It is a VIRUS.
    3) Malaria is the result of a parasite infection - a PLASMODIUM. It is different than a virus.
    4) Malaria is BLOODBORNE. SARS-CoV-2 is AIRBORNE. (Airborne is actually worse.)

    Think before posting please!
     
  23. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    This rather long article, link emailed to me yesterday, undermines smug assertions early on here that Covid-19 is for sure just an accidental all-natural affair:
    https://www.independentsciencenews....gin-for-sars-cov-2-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/
    One choice passage:
    "For instance, using different approaches, numerous researchers have concluded that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein has a very high affinity for the human ACE2 receptor (Walls et al., 2020; Piplani et al., 2020; Shang and Ye et al., 2020; Wrapp et al., 2020). Such exceptional affinities, ten to twenty times as great as that of the original SARS virus, do not arise at random, making it very hard to explain in any other way than for the virus to have been strongly selected in the presence of a human ACE2 receptor (Piplani et al., 2020)."

    There is another strong suspect though, one that invariably gets a free pass by Western media and politicians, to get away with just about anything:
    https://christiansfortruth.com/isra...-on-a-covid-19-vaccine-prior-to-the-outbreak/
    https://christiansfortruth.com/isra...approval-for-covid-19-vaccine-for-u-s-market/

    Whoever the actual culprit(s) turns out be, nothing less than the death penalty will suffice.
     

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