Is consciousness to be found in quantum processes in microtubules?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps you are talking about surface tension. Apparently the boundary creates a different molecular arrangement which causes a self-formation of a cellular pattern, a liquid shell.
    I'll check it out and get back with you on this. .....

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, this looks pretty explanatory. Its all in the patterns that form by interior and exterior influences.
    Water is a remarkable substance. It has to be one of the most versatile mediums in the Universe. And why not?
    It is one of the simplest patterns in nature.
     
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    And in furtherance of the role of microtubules.




     
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    Adding to the library:
    Microtubules Are Essential for Mitochondrial Dynamics–Fission, Fusion, and Motility–in Dictyostelium discoideum
    Laken C. Woods,1 Gregory W. Berbusse,2 and Kari Naylor1,*
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4801864/
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_viruses

    IMO, microtubules may be responsible for viral mitosis. MT are responsible for human cell mitosis (cell division), and as viruses cannot make copies of themselves, they need a cellular mechanism in the host that will do the work for them. Microtubules are built for that very task.!! In every cell of our body.

    p.s. see Alternative Theories for more info on Microtubules
     
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    So a single , one , of the virus could never exist .
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Correct, viruses cannot self-divide and can only use the host's ability for mitosis as their dividing mechanism. This is why they die outside a host. They are one of the oldest and purest parasitic organism in nature.

    What is mitosis? | Facts | yourgenome.org
    www.yourgenome.org › facts › what-is-mitosis

    Technically viruses are not alive because they cannot self-divide. They are quasi-living biochemical organisms. A perfect example of a quasi-alive abiogenetic organism!

    Life: Quasi-Life ,
    Virus.
    Microtubules play a major role in mitosis.
    http://www.scienceforthepublic.org/things-to-know/life/life-quasi-life
     
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    From your link.
    And what pray tell is that mitotic replication machinery? (drum roll).....microtubules!!.....

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    What Are the Main Function of Microtubules in the Cell?

    https://sciencing.com/main-function-microtubules-cell-8552402.html

    I am not satisfied with generalities such as "replication machinery". It begs the question what exactly is that machinery, no? If you had followed any of what I posted about microtubules, you would have known this and we could have had a good discussion on exactly how a virus manages to hijack microtubules for its own purposes. That would be clearly in your ball park and very pertinent to the OP.
    Instead you dismiss the possibility out of hand , without giving at a second thought. It bemuses me, why?
     
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    Continuing on the consciousness topic this is a very interesting demonstration how microtubules form and to the three wave frequency ranges they respond to.

     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Answer - still no.
     
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    There is no such division as "mainstream science" and "non-mainstream science".

    If the scientific method applies...it's just science. If it doesn't...it's not science.
     
  16. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Okay ^^ Why is science skeptical of the theory?

    Why is consciousness such a controversial subject, to begin with?
     
  17. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I think the only skepticism is lack of evidence isn't it?
     
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    This was covered in post 5 (five) of this thread, on page 1. That was a year and half ago now.

    We are now at post 773, on page 39, and no further evidence in favour of the hypothesis has been put forward. Penrose and Hameroff were indeed still championing it in 2014, but nobody is biting, because the evidence is just not there. It remains an entirely speculative hypothesis.
     
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    You do not have the authority to dismiss the hypothesis. On what basis can you falsify the concept?

    If a computer picture is a pattern formed by billions of pixels, why should billions of microtubule processors noy be able to generate a recognizable pattern inside the brain.

    Consciousness is not a seperate ingredient of the brain. It is a product of the brain. Any other interpretation such as the dualistic view that consciousness requires an elan vital or soul is religion.

    As Tegmark posited, instead of asking the hard question of what causes consciuosness in the brain, we can begin with the hard fact that the brain does cause consciousness.

    This is undisputably true and allows us to examine the physical brain patterns which are causal to consciousness, rather than looking for an "special extra ingredient".

    The only real debate is if consciousness involves quantum functions. There can be no debate that brains exhibit emergent consciousness and self-awareness depending on the evolution of size and sophistication in brain patterns.

    There is a scientific biological mechanism that produces consciousness and ultimately an emergent experience of self-awareness in relation to one's environment.

    Interoception does not require self-awarenes at all, it is an autonomous control mechanism, but is the real purely electro/chemical survival mechanism that keeps us alive.
     
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    Because there is very little evidence of it.
    Because, in general, people can't even agree on a definition. It's like saying "love is caused by the the liver" - first you have to define love. Now, if you define it a very odd way (i.e. that feeling you get when you are healthy and in tune with your body) you could argue that it was, in part, caused by the liver. But again, that's not going to get much support from science with such loose definitions.
     
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  21. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    That said, we all know love exists. We all know that consciousness exists. Maybe it would be fair to say that some things can’t be explained by science?
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, and many things can't be. You can explain the origins (and biology) of lust and the evolutionary utility of love, but it's going to be very hard to define something scientifically that, at the end of the day, is a feeling someone has.
     
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    /end thread
     
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