Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

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  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Yee-haw Yee-haw Yee-hallways says that...that's why we call him donkey.
    Alex
     
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    OK I'll bite
    First
    • which gods are we talking about?
    • my gods, I have a disbelief in? or
    • gods of any religion, which religion tenets hold exist? BUT
    • each religions tenets hold ONLY their religion's god is the true god
    Deal, in a very broad strokes my gods
    • what I know about my gods
    • I know I don't believe any exist
    • I know I have heard stories about them
    • I know I can recall some of the parts of some of the stories
    • I know there are lots, thousands of stories
    • I know many of them are much the same
    • I know don't believe any of the stories
    That takes care of my gods. Now what do I know of the gods which religious tenets say exist
    • what I know about gods of religions
    • I know I don't believe any exist
    • I know I have heard stories about them
    • I know I can recall some of the parts of some of the stories
    • I know there are lots, thousands of stories
    • I know many of them are much the same
    • I know don't believe any of the stories
    Well well look at that same same

    Perhaps original post should provide some details about some god which stands outside of what the original post perceives (?) as lack of knowledge

    Might I humbly suggest original post focus on the prime cause of atheists wrath against gods and religions?

    They never come up with the goods, in this context goods equals EVIDENCE

    And ever it is thus

    Are you up and ready for the task ahead original post?

    Provide evidence and you will have millions of tame atheists (well I doubt with evidence of god there will remain any atheists)

    On your mark GO

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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Again I will bite

    Inform us "we are smarter than you" Minions what you know

    Thanks

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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I get the impression that religious folk think that if heathens knew the full story they would change their tune...I don't think they follow history much outside their religion ...where religion started and why, animal worship fertility worship Sun worship and how these evolved via astrology etc.

    Heck most of them have no idea where Abraham got his stories from.

    The subject is rather broad but I think it is reasonable to conclude astrology was a big thing, not like reading your stars in the newspaper, but to a degree a calender with the Sun the main player..then you get con men personifying the Sun thing..son of God..son of the Sun really, the 12 followers, death and resurrection all Sun tricks...but religious folk don't know, don't care...there were at least 15 astrology type Gods around the Mediterranean JC but one...and there is compelling evidence pointing to J C being just another backwoods cult that the Romans built upon for political motives and as they controlled the world in effect promoted christianity thru out the empire...I gloss over it but I ain't a teacher.. if there are any scholars worth their salt they would know exactly what I am talking about...all the scriptures need to be placed in the context of astrology Sun worship etc.

    But there is no point trying to put any history in front of a creationist they just don't get it...they are simple folk and real learning is beyond them.

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  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Sir I concur

    Where did he? <----- incredulous lilt tone font

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  9. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Ur and that is the answer not I don't know.
    Alex
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I notice Jan is avoiding this thread I know it's nothing that I have said. He must be afraid that Paddo will bite him.
    Alex
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Ouch

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  12. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Its a disappointing Atheist YEE-HAW.
    Thinking back now, I shouldn’t have been so destructive of darwinism. I didn’t mean to dampen your spirits evolution .
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I would guess jan didn't like the way the conversation was evolving....

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  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Da win evaded him...survival of da wittest.
    Alex
     
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  15. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    You tries to break it and you paid for it with loss of dignity but don't worry it still works as good as it always has.

    Seriously however ...the observation I made re super nova must mean you are forced to reject the Big Bang if you take Biblical Creation literally would you care to address that for the audience or add it as an unanswered question to the unanswered question list James started of which a great percentage remain unanswered by you...still working on your answers I expect.

    Do you understand the significance of a super nova as it fits the history of our solar system?

    Alex
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I must take the blame here in raising Abiogenesis. It was prompted by the lies, trolling and changing of definitions in the many fruitless attempts to denigerate Darwinism and evolution.
    The point I was making was that at one time there was no life: then there was, as being evidence for Abiogenesis, despite not knowing the precise mechanism.

    To give Jan some solace, unlike river who would go out of his way, spewing his pseudscience and nonsense about the forum, including the sciences section [of which he is now banned] Jan at least keeps his myths within the mythical section. Fact is though, he still needs to undergo scientific critique, when and where needed.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I visualized it as a mega-nova! A single event where everything happened in the same place (singularity) at the same time.
     
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  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I suspect you mean "radioisotope dating" rather than just carbon dating. But yes, you can radioisotope things from thousands to millions of years.
     
  19. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The first stars were all huge short lived [10's of millions of years] behemoths, that formed approximately 4 to 5 hundred million years post BB.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Clearly this was an General evolutionary process from pure chemical action and reaction to the formation of biochemical molecular patterns and the emergent potential for Darwinian evolution.
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No doubt. The greater the overall chaotic event, the larger the resulting spontaneously emergent self-formation of large complex (unstable?) patterns.
    And the original inflationary epoch @FTL suggests the absence of any mathematical/physical spatial restrictions for an instant and that "c" was a subsequent emergent restriction within the expanding spacetime medium and geometry.

    I really like this concept of emergent potentials as a result of evolutionary processes and the formation of increasingly complex patterns. It just feels logical and natural.
     
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  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No shit.
     
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  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I think the big bang deals with a single point that became our everything (our o servable universe) but there may have been many points outside our single point that went on to be parts of the universe outside our observable universe.
    Without a super nova you can't make mud and or clay...so the problem the creation folk have is...God creates the stars but has to wait millions of years for the first super nova to form elements past hydrogen, helium and lithium so as to get material to form the solar system and the mythical mud that the mythical Adam was fashioned from. What a tangled web they weave to ignore the fact they were deceived.

    So there is no inconsistency God time travelled forward to after a super nova got the mud and came back to fashion Adam.

    So they just can't have a big bang.

    How does it go..they are so far off the mark they arnt even wrong.

    Alex
     
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