Should we take Ray Comfort Serious? If no, what not?

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  1. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    No. We have to see the meaning before we can make a definition. A definition is only a description of a meaning.
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Yes you can, when the “quality” is that of being true.
    The “Truth” just is, regardless of evidence.
     
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  5. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Can our meaning be mistaken?
     
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  7. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    How can you know it's true?
     
  8. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. Take thunder as an example.
     
  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why take thunder as an example?
     
  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Because we were mistaken about the meaning. We used to think it was the gods throwing thunderbolts around but now that we have evidence of how it works, we have a better "meaning".
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn’t matter if we know it’s true or not.
    It still prevails. Just like God.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    But how do you know that viewpoint is true?
     
  13. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Where is the “evidence” of this?


    thunder (v.)

    13c., from Old English þunrian, from the source of thunder (n.). Figurative sense of "to speak loudly, threateningly, or bombastically" is recorded from mid-14c.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Because Truth can be defined, and we can use reason to comprehend what is meant by the definition.
    Also, if events occur, there has to be the truth of how these events occurred.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not making any claim. I'm saying we know now how thunder works - all of the evidence we have about static electricity, sound propagation, etc. supports that knowledge.
     
  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Reason on its own has no value. It has to operate on reality to produce any knowledge of reality.
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    And reality is based in truth.
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So what?
    That doesn’t mean we know the Truth about thunder.
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    As I have said, there's no such thing as "the truth".

    If you can keep up with the discussion, I'm saying that our "meaning" of thunder has changed. Meaning is not absolute.
     
  20. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Actually you haven’t said that before now, but I figured it out for myself.
    If I had to keep up with you, I’d have to stop, turn around, and walk miles. Then I’d have to pull you out of the bs you got yourself stuck in.
    For starters.

    Can you show that our meaning of thunder has changed?
     
  21. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I did. Gods --> static electricity.
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Is that an opinion, or a fact.
     
  23. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It's a fact, supported by evidence - i.e. we can make artificial lightning and thunder.

    Do you have anything to contribute besides questioning the obvious?
     

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