IF GOD caused the effect of stoping the sun

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by grimreaper, May 19, 2003.

  1. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    How was it done?
    within the laws of physics and or other science.
    assume unlimited energy/resources/ technology.
    uncle sam is footing the bill show us how?
    with respect

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  3. Beercules Registered Senior Member

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    And what if santa created a big black hole that swallowed up the earth?? How would he do it?

    Sorry, couldn't resist. Are you asking if physics allows for the earth to stop revolving around the sun, or what the effects would be?
     
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  5. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    Beercules




    What could cause the illusion of the sun standing still for the battle at gibbion. this would have to fall within the laws of physics. possibly slowing earths rotation on its axis but not limited to it. For example the star of Bethlehem could have been a satellite in geo-synchronous orbit.

    I have also toyed with the thought of a feild effect which would cause a acceleration of events that would cause someone observing the event to belive the sun stood still slowed its motion for the event.

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  7. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    Those warriors probably smoked some stone-age crack at the time
     
  8. Beercules Registered Senior Member

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    Well if you throw away the laws of physics, I don't see how the question has any meaning. But I will take a guess and agree with Vortexx and say they were smoking crack.
     
  9. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Due to its rotation, the surface of the Earth is traveling about 1000 MPH (1600 km/hr) at the Equator and zero at the poles. The Middle East might be traveling at half that speed or more.

    The inertial effects of stopping the rotation would be fierce. I do not think any animal as large as a squirrel could survive.

    As posted earlier, some psychedelic drug seems like the best possibility.

    BTW: Isaac Asimov had a fanciful explanation for the Red Sea incident. He postulated a tsunami caused by a volcanic eruption or earth quake somewhere in the Mediterranean sea. The Israelites took a normal route from Egypt toward Palestine, along the coast of the Mediterranean of further inland. The Egyptian army followed them a day or two later. The tsunami hit the Egyptians and washed them into the Red Sea, after the Israelites had passed by safely. Later Egyptian soldiers where found floating in the Red Sea, with the chariots at the bottom. There was no surviving witness to tell about the tsunami, so the biblical explanation was invented. Isaac did not believe this theory, but mentioned the fierce volcanic eruption and earthquake that destroyed the Minoan culture as a possible cause for the tsunami.
     
  10. Xevious Truth Beyond Logic Registered Senior Member

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    The Egyptian chariots are still on the bottom, as are rumored to be the fossilized remains of horses. I am including several URL's of interesting relevant data. One of the maps shows a very very shallow land-bridge underneath the Red Sea which was not only wide, but relatively easy to cross. In fact, I have a photo of a merchant ship which ran aground on the land bridge, giving a very obvious indication of it's shallowness. It is conciveable that the Israelites crossed here when it was dried up, and the Egyptians got caught in a swell as they attempted to cross it.

    Red Sea Crossing Map
    http://www.wyattmuseum.com/red-sea-crossing.htm

    Ship Aground on Land Bridge
    http://www.baseinstitute.org/photos/Red Sea3.jpg

    Femuor from an Egyptian Soldger
    http://www.anchorstone.com/images/femur02.jpg
     
  11. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    using the laws how could it be done

    I want the answer to be valid not a fairy tale.
    I would like for people to look for how it could be done governed by the laws of physics and or other sciences.

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  12. Beercules Registered Senior Member

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    But the story is a fairy tale, is it not? I don't think anything in the laws of physics would allow the earth to stand perfectly still.
     
  13. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    Beercules
    But the story is a fairy tale, is it not? I don't think anything in the laws of physics would allow the earth to stand perfectly still.

    I am not sure it is.

    If in fact it did happen then I belive the illusion or effect was localized to a region of the raidus mentioned in the refference. This is due to lack of coroberating evidence from other cultures.

    lets have fun how do you take a aera the size of L.A. and make it belive that the sun slowed or stood still for several hr

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  14. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    How we wish the answer to come out is rarely the way it does come out. Many scientists start out with an idea that they would like to prove they thought out the answer before hand, only to find out that is not so.

    Many ancient tales have elements of the truth in them. They have been retold many times over the generations with a bit here and there added for color. Mostly we can not believe the whole of the tale. Some we can not believe any of. That is the way it is.
     
  15. edgar Registered Senior Member

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    or perhaps god made a nice dry passage way....
     
  16. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Hear my plea, oh mighty gods, keep religion out of Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology forum
     
  17. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    "Hear my plea, oh mighty gods, keep religion out of Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology forum "

    So Avatar you would tell me that some primitive pulled off the greatest illusion of all time and modern scientist refuse to even speculate on how he did it merely because it was reported in a religious text which by the way is where the majority of the written documentation from the period comes from as the religious sects made up 80 to 90 percent of the literate population at that time.

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  18. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    GrimReaper: Your initial post uses the word if. Your last post implies that you believe that something really happened.

    What do you really think?

    As far as I am concerned, the story has the status of a fairy tale. I am with Avatar: This thread belongs in a religious or psychology forum, not a science forum.
     
  19. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    What do you really think?

    I think that something unusual happened the preface of If was referenced toward GOD, as I believe that deities receive much credit and blame for random natural and sentient contrived phenomena. I seriously doubt that I would have as much trouble if I asked how Copperfeild preformed his disappearing of the statue of liberty illusion.

    It is like when I asked manmadeufo how a tribe of aborigines who do not own telescopes knew of the existence of a companion of the dog star which was not discovered or even suspected by modern Astronomy till the Hubble was launched. His response was lets not go into religion here(psudoscience).

    I am thinking that the easyest way to stop science is to say god was here.

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  20. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    I have been watching this thread rather closely because religion does not really belong to this forum. Rather there is a forum for that elsewhere within sciforums.

    History really doesn't have a "proper forum" within this site. However, history combined with the references to astromony from religion is a borderline case. As long as the subject does not divert into other areas then it is an acceptable subject.
     
  21. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    "Illusion" is the key word here.

    Being that the Bible said the Sun stood still for only 36 minutes (if I remember correctly) that is really not a big deal of an illusion.

    If your day were 36 minutes longer today do you really th8ink you would notice?

    Neither would I.

    Therefore for the opposite to be true (thinking it is 36 minutes longer even though it wasn't) wouldn't be so unbelieveable either.
     
  22. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    I agree and did not intend for this to be a religious debate I was however trying to find a logical theory to explain a recorded astronomical phenomena. which may have been highly localized. I posted hear because it would seam to have a high probability of being a lens effect. also till this time the recorded life span was 120 years could the earths orbit have been shifted causing a longer year.

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  23. grimreaper Registered Senior Member

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    is the brain trust dead?

    cant any one come up with theroy?

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