Liars... liars... filthy American Liars

Allahs/Jihad sez:

Islam can make peace with death

And there it is in a nutshell. Islam will make sure all humanity will be at peace so that we can all praise Allah as the corpses lay rotting.

Do you think once humanity is wiped from the face of the Earth, that Allah will be at peace?

 

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If a god has no followers does s/he exist?

(I just realized this is a quote for “Serial Experiments Lain” anime, what comes back to me in the morning, scary!)

 

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who will hide you where will you find rest?

Jihad_AlifLamLamHah
When no one will let you in for fear of being the next Iraq, teliban,
Nowhere will be safe the satellites will locate your bases any government that will harbor you will face both covert and overt action.

You say Islam is at peace with death but are you willing to sacrifice every one you know and love for your cause.

The problem is that each and every attack will strengthen our resolve. If your tactics worked then there would not be a Jew in old Palestine they are and they are there to stay they have come home.

Every one who has posted to these threads has probably been checked out by FBI CIA and NSA your transmission was tracked both legally and illegally they have pinpointed the source of transmission.

This is happening all over the world.

"Well that's great, but there are more nukes not in USA than in USA so you should expect the same for USA, so then we will all be at the stone age, half is dead and most areas are uninhabitable and everybody got to hide in caves"

I said the world and I meant the whole world. And I don't think god will have pity on those responsible. And I am sure that it will be a great consultation to your people that while they contend with radiation sickness and poisoning that the American and English and Russian survivors are living in modern under ground complexes and city's.

with respect

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Thats Great Q

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Allah doesnt share human capablities of "liking"
Allah=Existence , Death=Non Existence

Allah cant be at a state of conflict or peace , as both are in Him .

The essence of Islam lies there where conflict is equalized into peace .

Yes I can have peace with death , can you ? Or will you fear it all your life untill you die ? Then you will die a very scared man , seems sucky

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If a god has no followers does s/he exist?

Depend what God you're talking about . A deity doesnt exist whatsoever

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, but Allah exists in me and outside of me , but outside of me I only perceive through myself . So I dont think as long as I exist that it is relevant weither he is or is not outside of me . As for now , I dont know . I do know he exists in me though , if he did not then there would be no beauty , no good , no knowledge and no existence . Thats because he is all those things .

Theory as I know it from Islam in Sufi goes that He is everything , the question really is , does this everything exist outside of my mind ? If it does , then Allah exists beyond me .

Grimm
When no one will let you in for fear of being the next Iraq, teliban,

Recruitments come from Muslim population all over the globe including the West , and the organizers operate with false papers totally underground , there isnt anybody that is not to be let .

Nowhere will be safe the satellites will locate your bases any government that will harbor you will face both covert and overt action.

Satelites ? There are 6BILLION peoples on this planet , what do you think CIA is this super BigBrother with superior knowledge like in 1984 ? Get real , they're dicks all of'em (xcept for Mossad) , what bases ? No government needs to harbor anything since nobody is known to be somewhere , who are you Batman ?

And why are you adressing me as them ? Im not Islamic fundamentalist who plots terrorist assaults , Im just a simple Muslim scholar who tries to gain knowledge .

You say Islam is at peace with death but are you willing to sacrifice every one you know and love for your cause.

Not really

The problem is that each and every attack will strengthen our resolve. If your tactics worked then there would not be a Jew in old Palestine they are and they are there to stay they have come home.

It depends against who your tactics go , and besides I think they are quite effective as a tactic in israel , but ist not always used correctly and efficiently .

As for the USA Israel compare , is that really necesarry ? In short , you're not holding what they are , not by a long shot .

Every one who has posted to these threads has probably been checked out by FBI CIA and NSA your transmission was tracked both legally and illegally they have pinpointed the source of transmission.

Are you kidding me ? First of all , you're claims are hilarious to think they have acces to hack and track everybody down , secondly if they could do anything those who would need to watch as what they are identified would take precussions to not be identified as such . People who dont need identifications dont sit at their real adress at home to internet and post on sciforums , get real . They have something better to do dont you say ?

This is happening all over the world.

In mickey mouse world yes
least what u can do is provide one of them conspiracy links backing this up .

Internet=Anarchy my friend , remeber that .

I said the world and I meant the whole world. And I don't think god will have pity on those responsible. And I am sure that it will be a great consultation to your people that while they contend with radiation sickness and poisoning that the American and English and Russian survivors are living in modern under ground complexes and city's.

Modern underground complexes and cities , what movies have you been watching lately , or do you just mean subways ? Dont worry , you dont hold monopoly on those .

Anyways , how exactly did u go from nuking planet earth to modern underground city's ? Just like that ? Before such a thing there's total war my friend , I dont think you're national identity is gonna prevail .

with respect

right back at ya

 

what happens if everyone were to die off mysteriously would there still be god? Isn’t Allah the same god of the Christians and the Jews?

 

Allah=Existence , Death=Non Existence

The equation is simple to understand - Allah=Death

Allah cant be at a state of conflict or peace , as both are in Him .

That makes sense. In life Allah is always in conflict with humanity, and in humanity’s death, peace.

The essence of Islam lies there where conflict is equalized into peace .

In other words, the essence of Islam is to turn life into death.

 

Excellent post (Q), as this has been my opinion of Islam for some time.. I just wasn't able to post it so succinctly. Excellent of Jihad to set it up like that as well. IMO, this seems to perfectly summarize the scenario we find ourselves in at this point.

With that given.. what now? What is funny to me about this is that if the terrorists persist, the do nothing but bring peace to their families as they will all be returned to allah much sooner (along with who knows how many other people on either side of the conflict) than if they didn't persist... and that probably seems good to them eh? Hrmph.

Maybe they are an embodiment of mother nature attempting to handle the population problem eh? *shrug*

Seems like it's impossible to defuse. Don't you think that dissolving Israel would have the same effect?



I don't believe in the concept of oppression.... because regardless of reality someone will always think that they are oppressed. Hell man, everyone thinks they're oppressed. It is the test of will and intellect to overcome apparent bullshit like oppression isn't it? I think the concept of oppression is somewhat disgusting, as it implies that people are weak-minded and helpless. Certainly some of them are, but if so then they shall be oppressed regardless of governments, regardless of anything else. The strong will always oppress the weak from the perspective of the weak, it is because of their weakness that they see it that way, regardless of their 'actual' scenario. In this context... YOU, JIHAD, are an oppressor because you are strong.

How do you defend your oppression to yourself?

 

Aaaah, I don’t think Jihad will agree with you two on that…

Anyways yes terrorism is like the snake eating it self: they attack us we attack them and repeat, much suffering and pain on both side… well actually most terrorist attacks do not kill many people, well not as many as carpet bombing, artillery, tanks running over people and buildings, soldiers killing people left and right out of spite and retribution, economic sanctions starving and making people miserable, ect. Actually now that I look at it terrorism is like hitting a killer bees hive with a stick.

not the upperclass healthy white guy between the age of 21-40.

 

Of men and mice.....

Abdulla: Oh how brave--these keyboard warriors that have a solution for everything---from the comfort of their computer rooms--and run to the doctor like so many sissies--when a cold breeze comes and makes them sniffle.

Fat & Sassy rounded people---that couldn't do 10 pull ups if their life depended on it--they ought to be knitting doillies for UNESECO instead of posting their impotent opinions.

Abdulla...

 

Re: Of men and mice.....

Wow Abduhhhh, what an insightfull dialog. Rather than your pointless ad hominem TRIPE, why don't you dispute the issues?

 

dam you cought his fallacy before I even read it!

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Ad hominem is a fallacy were you say people are wrong because of there personal traits: like saying Stephen Hawkins knows nothing because he is a cripple or that we also know nothing because we are computer nerds

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WHAT? Hehe, they think they are the most oppressed group in the world dude... they have to pay all the taxes, they have to take shit from whiney liberals, blah blah... everyone has to pay the rent every month you know? Doesn't matter if it's a penthouse, people will whine about little bullshit that displeases them. People will spend their earnings and whine about the oppression that keeps them from earning more.

Now I realize that someone is going to talk about people starving vs. penthouses and I'm not disputing that point. No one should starve, everyone should have the basic shit to sustain life... I'm down with that. But is the reason that some people starve really US oppression? Seem to me that it's the oppression of power-hungry regimes that spend their UNICEF money on nukes rather than food... or worse, sell their food for nuke money rather than feeding their starving populous... isn't THAT the root of the problem? Isn't THAT kind of the way of things? While those pissant countries jockey for power as they are obliged to by their pisssant status, not realizing that their problem is lack of resources, so wasting all their resources attempting to get shit they don't really ulitmately need rather than take care of the people as they are charged to do at their inception... isn't that a neverending cycle? Unless "power" is homogenously distributed across the globe, this cycle will always be as long as power hungry dipshits are allowed to run countries. As long as there is power to be had, power hungry dipshits will always try to run countries. How does this story have the hap hap happy ending we'd all really love?

IT DOESN'T EXIST. There is no ending that we'll all love because WE ALL WANT DIFFERENT THINGS. I suppose that makes someone obliged to make peace with allah eh? That sucks, but I'm sure you'll tell me where I'm wrong so we can find that hap hap happy ending.

 

He may or may not.. that doesn't really matter.. what we've captured here is the essence of the difference in perspectives of the middle-east and the west... THAT is why (Q)'s post is so important. His words embody the western take on what Jihad says is Allah's wisdom (or the middle eastern take). I think the problems between our perspectives are summarized perfectly in (Q)'s post, as it contains both his and Jihad's words. It's really beautiful in a way to see the root of such monumental disdain presented so succinctly.

At least that's the way I see it.

 

I stand corrected

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Yes we our a scape goat for the worlds problems but we have and are doing a lot of bad things, like put Suddam insane in power in the first place not to mention emplace, fund and assist the rulers of many other countries in that area as long as they give us there oil.

It also mght not be ture that Q post is how muslims trully see it, even if thats how we see it of them, does that make it there problem or ours?

 

I have not seen such a horrible case of word twisting in a looong time. How can a person who is in peace with his own imminent future death be conceived as a person that promotes death?

God could care less if humanity existed or not......God existed before humanity, creates what he pleases and will exist after humanity.

 

First of all, I think Jihad is brilliant and summarizes the essence of Islam (though he's not a member) probably better than all but a few in Islam could do it in terms that a westerner might be able to comprehend. I say this because I recognize that the fundamental thinking involved is almost mutually exclusive. If you see it as a westerner, it's damn near impossible to comprehend how a person from the islamic mindset (especially middle-eastern) thinks, because you just don't think that way. At least that's how it seems to me.

I also think Q did an excellent job of interpreting what Jihad said into exactly the way it is fundamentally interpreted by the western mindset.

As far as problems go, everyone's got them and ultimately everyone's becomes everyone elses to a degree eh?

 

Just to clarify the term western, are Latin Americans part of that club? Do the christian whites in America satisfy the label of westerners. Do Turkish muslims half in Europe and half in Asia considered westerners. Russian muslims? Afghanis ? Is an African American Muslim a western? Am I an American with arabic parents and central american husband who are muslim are we westerners?

May you please explain to what might appear to be the eastern me, where exactly does the wesmorris sun sets these days, so we can get our alighnment of the east and west straight and we can have a clue what you are talking about.

 

Just for you Flores

Well I'd figure you consider yourself Islamic which would obviously put you in the "Islamic" mindset, unless of course it doesn't because you either don't know shit or have put some weird spin on it. Regardless Flores, I'm not trying to label you. I'm trying to understand. I'm trying have a discussion regarding the topic in an attempt to comprehend the big picture. Label yourself as you like. I don't care.

There is no wesmorris sun. We all see the same sun, we just don't see it the same way. Have I aligned you well enough?

In case you're feeling particularly needy for explanation, how about this: In general, I believe Jihad's comments to well represent an Islamic perspective (which will generally be weaker if you're not native to an Islamic state), and (Q)'s perspective basically summarizes those secular and christian american types who find themselves threatened in a way they thought they wouldn't be.

Hell it almost seems analagous to the struggle between socialism (stalinists?) and capitalists, but I'm not sure that's quite on target.

Okay so I've tried, but I wouldn't guess I've helped to give you a clue what I'm talking about.. would you?

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Eastern and Western Philosophy have no set demography or geological locations. They are a way of thinking and are in fact very basic and deeply ingrain in eastern or western societies, and when I or he or anyone else says “eastern and western societies” we do not necessarily mean any fixed geological position or ethnicity. For more info take it up on the Philosophy sub-forums.

 

Pathetic

Jihad....,

ANS: Pathetic, simply pathetic. So screwed up in the head that you and all your people will be anihilated in the end. Your Alaaaaaah, doesn't exist. Nor does the God of the west. This religious bullshit is pathetic, simply pathetic.


And yes I can be at peace with death as long as I am taking a bunch of asshole idiots with me. So don't think you pricks have anything special. You don't. We do, its called overwhelming power and the courage and justification to use it protecting ourselves and our allies against stupidity.

FYI to the other poster. I weigh 155 pounds, can do chin ups and at 62 probably can run your ass ragged. Go take a cold shower. Stop pointing your ass toward the sky several times a day and get a good book on something sensible and throw your religious garbage in the garbage can while you have the chance.