How long does the American empire have?

spooks

I am of the opinion that if we can't educate our own children in a manner that will provide a supply of skilled technological workers, and then pay them a livable wage, then it "is" all over. The United states will definitely decline.

We have already lost our industrial edge to cheap foreign labor. If we let them make our pots, pans, television sets, and coffee makers fine. But if we allow our base of technological workers to go the same route, we will only experience a temporary but fleeting benefit just before it all comes crashing down.

Our economy is rapidly becoming a dysfunctional corrupt pyramid scheme, with all monetary gain ending up in the hands of a predetermined few.
I can not see where importing high tech workers , who can be more easily manipulated by the greedy, will solve any long term problems.

 

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Yep we are living of brain sucking now! Like a zombie how long tell we rot to pieces?

 

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You people are so dooms day. I read this stuff and have to laugh. Yet again, it reminds me of the “Asian Tiger”. Japan is going to take over the world! Over and over millions pile money into Japan. Zillions of books on the Tiger Economy. Just in Time Delivery. This and That. One day, poof Japan’s economy burns out. A few investors take nose dives off their office buildings. Now it bla bla bla China is going to take over the world. Mars is going to take over Earth – hurry . . . run for cover!! Anal probing Martians are invading!!

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And thus it starts all over again.
When Roma “fell” and the German Empire (also called the Holy Roman Empire) arose. Did things dramatically change for most Romans. No. Life was actually a bit better for them. Did the sky darken and the apocalypse ensue? When did the English Empire fall? Let’s see, if you count America as and independent yet successful colony I guess it hasn’t. The house of power shifted. Reminds me of Roma and Constantine.

The real answer is anything is possible.

An example: One serious and deadly epidemic in China and their huge population is no longer an asset and is now a liability and thus their economy is toast. History says China produces most (not all) most coronavirus and influenza virus. Serious epidemics occur every 150 yrs or so. Ergo, China most likely will suffer from a serious epidemic devastating its economy in the next hundred years. Australians made an excellent virus that targets the reproductions system of mice. It doesn’t kill the host - just destroys any possibility of it ever reproducing. The biological leap from mice to humans is a very small one indeed. All we need is one nut-ball to develop a similar virus for humans and there goes XX% of the population.

Recently Japanese, Korean and German company’s together patented blue laser DVDs. I wonder why China didn’t? What was the last great Chinese technological advancement? Paper I think. Singapore has an excellent economy – where are their huge advancements over the USA? There aren’t any. We’re losing our technology? How do you lose technology? It’s evolving and we’re not losing it – America is on the cutting edge.

So what can we predict. Keeping in mind that in 1987 Tiger Economy is the IN thing 1992 Tiger Economy is the OUT thing. These are people who spent their lives dedicated to predicting economies and could they predict 5 little years into the future? Nope. Expecting people to predict 25 even 100 years into the future with any accuracy? I think as you read the response posts its all either peoples wishful thinking or peoples fears.

But if you think you can predict the future. Just tell me the currency ratio of the US dollar Yen, Euro, and Sterling in December this year (a mere 6 months).

Come on. I see this GDP that GDP this prediction based on that economy. Well lay it down. Give me the predicted ratios. How about up down up down?

Thought so.

There’s a possibility the world have a single government in 100 years and people live like kings (or people live like slaves). There’s a possibility the world will have no government and corporations rule with people living like kings (or people live like slaves). There’s any number of possibilities. 15 years ago this forum would have went rambling on about Japan without a hint of China. Now it’s China without a hit of Africa. A friend of mine was telling me in 50 years the Middle East will have booted Israel, united and control the new Islamic world. Bwaahhaahha

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Anything is possible.

I personally like this view of America in the near future: Snow Crash

 

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Yes America might be better off as a non-superpower, even so thing must change and you can possibly believe USofA will be dominate forever.

I personally like this view of the future: http://www.toledoc.com/forums/thaigold/posts/158.html

 

www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/1927461
How will the U.S dig itself out of this debt?

 

Michael

When did the English Empire fall? Let’s see, if you count America as and independent yet successful colony I guess it hasn’t.

so ahh we send stuff back to the queen? to the masses? our success somehow contributes to englands wellbeing?

The house of power shifted.

i believe this shifting is being discussed

Zillions of books on the Tiger Economy

so? into censoring? why do you even care?

I read this stuff and have to laugh

who is the fool here?

Just in Time Delivery

a fabulous innovation i think

Did things dramatically change for most Romans

A ravaged Rome entered the Middle Ages with its once-proud population scattered and unrecognizable in rustic exile. A modest population started life again in the swamps of the Campus Martius, while the seven hills, now without water since the aqueducts were cut, stood abandoned and crumbling.

Rome during the Middle Ages was a quaint rural town. Narrow lanes with overhanging buildings filled many areas that had been planned as showcases of ancient imperial power, such as the Campus Martius. Great basilicas were built and embellished with golden-hued mosaics. The forums, mercantile exchanges, temples, and theaters of the Imperial Era slowly disintegrated and collapsed. The decay of ancient Rome was assisted by periodic earthquakes, centuries of neglect, and, in particular, the growing need for building materials. Rome receded into a dusty provincialism

i doubt if anyone here envisions anything as dramatic as this if or when the american empire collapses

All we need is one nut-ball to develop a similar virus for humans and there goes XX% of the population.

doomsday indeed

There’s any number of possibilities

so why should there a problem with discussing them? you start off bashing other peoples scenarios and yet go on to offering your own

But if you think you can predict the future.

what do you expect, 100% accuracy? you do not accept margins of error? economic cycles? understand that some have to plan for the future. it could be a govt, an investor, a corporation...... to kick back and not do so because tomorrow we could be wiped out is not an option

"anything is possible" only if all these possible outcomes more or less follow a logical procession. past events and actions will usually dictate the future. probabilities can be calculated and tentative statements about the future can be made.

i do not see anything magical about the future. everything is not up for grabs.
mind you, aliens could always land and demand to be taken to a leader, a meteorite could wipe us out but what is the point of factoring those unlikely events into predictions about the future?

China most likely will suffer from a serious epidemic devastating its economy in the next hundred years

sound like a prediction to me.
you are also assuming they will do nothing about the problem. why? fatalistic to boot as well?

In recent decades, the warm southern region of China, which includes Hong Kong and Guangdong province, has been one of the main starting points of influenza pandemics.

The 1957-58 Asian flu flourished here before spreading to the Pacific. In 1968-69, the Hong Kong flu claimed 700,000 lives worldwide.

Eight years later, China was the source of another influenza outbreak known as swine flu that caused close to 300,000 deaths.

In 1997, a form of bird flu killed six people in Hong Kong and prompted its government to slaughter all the 1.4 million chickens in the territory.

What makes the region especially vulnerable may be the custom of rearing pigs and poultry in close proximity to people. This allows any mutated microbes to easily pass from animals to humans.

Another factor that makes fast-growing Guangdong a hot spot for infectious viruses is the massive influx of workers from inland China. These workers live and work in crowded conditions, often for long hours and under duress.

 

Dam spookz you practically ran over Michael with an 18 wheeler and did not even slow down: did s/he get on your bad side or what? Nice kill by the way.

*fetus writes in his outlook notes “watch out for spookz!”*

 

As a matter of fact it does! The U.S also guarantees Israel's oil & economic well being.

 

well do i have to beg for some documentation? some elaboration? on england that is

 

I knew it had to be asked

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I don't have the exact link, but most of my knowledge on this subject comes from :-
David Icke
Infowars &
Prison Planet

I'm certain it came from 1 of these sites, it was some time ago.

 

Michael :
A friend of mine was telling me in 50 years the Middle East will have booted Israel, united and control the new Islamic world. Bwaahhaahha

Controll over ME and booting Israel are 2 different things . Unless Hamas & Islamic Jihad fall into moderation and the Intifadah of entire Palestine stops , in 10-15 years Israel wont be able to deny the fact that they are a nation at war , leading into at least the loss of their souvereignity as a nation . The youngest generation of Hamas and Islamic Jihad are evolving mentally into fatalism beyond comprehension , and the youngest generation of the average Palestinians is pushed into extremecy as never before , the Al Aqsa brigades are the very proof of this . When averaged 14 year old high-schoolgirls are blowing themselves up and 7 year olds are being militarized , you are some 10 or 15 years from the collapse of Israel as known today , a collapse into a serious internal guerilla war that can cause at least Israel's "peace" to loosing the souvereignity .

Now as far as Islamic controll goes , thats a totally different matter .

 

you do your own research

our success somehow contributes to englands wellbeing?(spookz)

so ahh lemme think. ethnic pride? trade preferences cos of ethnic, language and cultural connections?

 

An Indictment of the American Mind
I was following up on this guys story which eventually led me to the information relating to the US paying tax to Great Britain & guaranteeing Israels oil.
Factoids?* is full of scary information as it says at the bottom verify for yourself, this is as much digging as I'm going to do, it eventually led me here to see if anyone is discussing the sort of issues these links relate too.

 

Rturn to the dark AGES!

America goes it all goes take a lesson from the great depression. or from Rome Nero burnt Rome unfortunately we have the power to burn the world.
And unfortunately the people in power will do it too.

with respect

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Jihad_AlifLamLamHah,

In 10-15 years the Palestinians will try to destroy Israel, the result will be all out war, the other Arab countries will once again join in and most likely like what happen the other 3 times will repeat its self: Israel will bet the sh1t out of all of them! Also considering how conservative and fascist the Israelis have been getting by this time the Israelis will massacre the Palestinians holocaust style (how ironic!).

 

Fetus
In 10-15 years the Palestinians will try to destroy Israel

I agree

the result will be all out war, the other Arab countries will once again join in and most likely like what happen the other 3 times will repeat its self: Israel will bet the sh1t out of all of them! Also considering how conservative and fascist the Israelis have been getting by this time the Israelis will massacre the Palestinians holocaust style (how ironic!).

In the first sentence you make an error that determines your entire writing . You forgot this isnt USSR days anymore , didnt you ? Saddam was the last one , hmmm maybe Iran as a state can actually represent some conventionalism , but truth is : Its the age of terrorism . In all those other wars , the Palestinians didnt have a proper resistance for themselves , but the Palestinians have created a guerilla-tactic that simply is indestructible without a holocaust as you mention later on and as Ill explain later on . First of all lets look at the Arabic nations . There is nop Sadat , the Sauds are USA's best friend , Bashar Junior shits his pants all day long as he isnt even potty trained yet , his dad was to busy waging war . The only one that can incite a conventional war was Saddam , and he's down . Who's left ? What Arab nations are there to attack Israel ? Iran perhaps ... but they aint Arab

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No If there would be (and Im sure there indeed would) Arabic resistance besides the modern-regular armies of Palestine under Al Aqsa Islamic Jihad and Hamas , there are the Islamic modern-regular armies of Al Qaida , Abu Sayaf , Hizbollah etc .

But all those are not necesarry for what I have predicted , as Hamas and Islamic Jihad would have somany bombers there simply isnt any possibility for a decent public controll , they fall into anarchy . There is only one way to hold that , and that is idneed Palestinian holocaust , but guess what , how Ironic it may be , this still isnt 1939 and Palestine isnt the Lodz ghetto . When the Gestappo came peoples were hiding on addicts , when the IDF comes people will blow themselves up rather than be deported of razzia'd , how can you holocaust a fratericidical peoples ? Even they're 5 year olds would blow themselves up if the the choice was deportation/razzia or die in resistance .

Peoples need not to think conventional on mid-east terms , conventionalism died along with the sovyet-union , now its back to guerilla and the revival of kamikaze in an Islamic jacket .

 

Already in fact, India has a growing software industry. Why import them to the USA when you can employ them in India? The same goes for call centre work as well, oddly enough. Something touted 5 or 6 years ago as the saviour of run down depressed areas is suddenly shutting up shop and going abroad, where theres cheaper labour awake at the odd times that we are likely to phone sutomer services.

The otehr reason to hate globaliosation is that it brings everywhere into competition with everywhere else, thus hastening concentration and inequalities.

 

Free enterprise is making it harder to be freely enterprising:bugeye:

 

Yeah Kazakhan. It seems to be inherent in the capitalist free market system. People want to make money, and once youve successfully exploited your enterprise, you need to squelch others who threaten yours. Plus you have to make a profit to pay people back. And so on.

 

guthrie, this is why it cannot go forever, it has to collapse sooner or later doesn't it. Into what I'm not sure, not sure I really want to know either, too many people(like my wife

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) will refuse to let go of capitalism.
The next few years are going to very interesting indeed.