AI is ridiculous concept that many misinterpret.

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Looks like AI has got to the stage where it can put a word salad together which .... what???

Make pronouncements

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Is AI closer?

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@ Billvon,

It seems like you are an active member here. I guess that makes you king troll as your intelligence seems lacking.

I invite everyone to re-read Billvons last posting and see if it makes a lick of sense.

A computer CAN NEVER... EVER... EVER... THINK... (PERIOD!). That especially includes random numbers.

You think your PUF method of arriving at random numbers sounds like a romper room grade school whining more than anything sensical.

If software seeks variables outside its programming like where the second hand is on a watch to arrive at a random number between 1 and 60 (in essence what it does even if it is above your intelligence level to grasp)
THEN IT IS NOT THINKING OF A RANDOM NUMBER... IT IS GETTING IT FROM THE SECOND HAND OF THE WATCH... PUF' are just a fancier method of doing just that even if it is beyond your cranial capacity (Billvon/king troll).

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You can push your woo that computers are internally generating random numbers

Also you are cluesless that even today every program is reliant upon IF/THEN statements in most every line. Some algoryths will use hundreds of comparison statements.

In the YEAR (you seem like a very uneducated programmer) since YOU learned BASIC programming has never evolved past using ONLY IF/THEN statements...

If you cannot recall your basic classes... IF/THEN statements are the bulk of all programming... ALWAYS! This will not change just because you do not have the brain capacity to grasp it or if you whine about how it is not true.

How do you think programming works? (Please dont answer... I'm sick of your spewing nonsense stuff).

Maybe you can demonstrate ANY PROGRAM... IN ANY LANGUAGE OF YOUR CHOICE. That is not fully reliant upon if/then statements.

Without an if-then statement you mioght be able to print yyour name upon the screen.. nothing more.

I didn't reply to your above nonsense right away as i wanted your idiocy to be on display for all to see.

You may not grasp how idiotic your last posting was... someone with a more intelligence might.

Here is a sample of what programmers do...

Maybe you cannot see IF/THEN statements in the above because your brain only seems to understand BASIC (and not even that).

I invite you to show ANY PROGRAMMING.. IN ANY LANGUAGE.. to back up your woo claims that If/Then/else statements are not key to most every aspect of programming...

Every line of code is either
A) An IF/THEN STATEMENT ... (even if you cannot grasp that they exist in every language and not just our BASIC) is a part of every program. All computers can do is compare.
or
B) A direction for the computer to do something GUIDED BY COMPARISON IF/THEN statements.

There is no third type of code.

Sadly this simple knowledge will likely not sink into this Billvon person.

HOWEVER! I do invite BILLVON to give us his version of an "IF/THEN" free program... I mean there must be at least ONE(1) if his stupid claims are true?

Unles his claims are bogus.... Hmmm... That seems more accurate..

JUST ONE PROGRAM BILLVON... I'll accept portions of a program like an Algorithm also... I don't want to explain what they are but maybe someone will explain it to you.

Can BILLVON show us a single program that is not wholly reliant up-on IF/THEN statements to prove his sanity? Or will he instead argue nonsesne and state agian and again that he is right and everyone else is wrong. Sadly that is not scientific whatsoever... I mean why even bother with science whan we could just ask Billvon.

Just ONE (1) PROGRAM to back up your woo claims Billvon.. Just ONE (1).

That or whine some more that you are always right so we (Scientific establishment) must be wrong.

 

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Code:

For a=1 to 9

Print a

Next a

That code doesn't contain any if/then/else statements.

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You are provably wrong. I gave a few examples.

PUF is just one way, used more often for software security than generating true random numbers. Intel's RDRND mechanism is much better, if generating a lot of random numbers is your goal (which it is in cryptography.) Your ignorance of that is not a sufficient argument to claim that RDRAND does not exist.

Correct. RDRND does not do that. It gets a random number by looking at thermal noise, an inherently random process.

If you believe "facts"="woo" then you will not get very far in science.

Just as every single one of your neurons does exactly the same thing. Fire or not fire. On or off. Yes or no. That's it.

Since I'm not claiming that, looks like your attack here has failed miserably.

Look, you are clearly completely ignorant of neural networks and random number generators - and talking about BASIC programming is not going to let you learn anything about those topics. Why not do some learning on that topic? Then you will not appear so foolish to everyone here.

 

Yes.

The reality is that any Computer Language will be translated to Machine Code otherwise called Assembly Code. Here's all you have with a typical set of machine Code:

Math: Add, Sub, Mult, Div
Binary Logic: Or, And, Xor
Move Data: Mov RAM to RAM, Mov RAM to CPU, Move CPU to RAM,
Jump Execution: Unconditional, Conditional (=, <, >)

There isn't much else.

Which operation above is going to be a Thought for a Computer?

Furthermore:
Which operation will be an experience of Pain for the Computer?
Which operation will be an experience of Pleasure for the Computer?
Which operation will be an experience of Fear for the Computer? (I'm not getting into a Self Driving Car without this one)
Etc.?

 

And the reality of your brain is that it is made of neurons. And every single neuron only does one of two things - it fires or it doesn't fire.

Which neuron will be an experience of fear for you?
Which neuron will be an experience of love?
Which neuron will be an experience of loyalty?

Please identify these neurons in your brain!

 

One of the strengths of AI is that it can operate in hazardous environments without feeling pain.

For what purpose? AI do not need to feel pleasure to perform at maximum efficiency..

What is the benefit of fear when accurate corrective operations to potentially dangerous situations can be performed at much faster rate by AI, than human response?
Calculus is a particular strength of computers.

AI do not need any human emotions, such as motive or incentive. They can be programmed for analysis of environmental properties.

They do as programmed to do, without complaint, fatigue, or individual desires.

The three laws of robotics are not based on emotion, they are based on programmed permissions and restrictions.

 

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I have read that many dictionaries make reference to other dictionaries and when there is a difference in definition, this may cause an extended exchange of definitions until all AI settle on an acceptable form.

 

I had assumed that the OP was about what Computers can and cannot do with AI. Many people believe that Computers can actually Think, and the Marketing Hype around that is almost unethical. I don't, and the OP doesn't, care about Why we would want Computers to Think or have Emotions. What OP says and what I say is that it is ridiculous to even think Computers are doing any of that or can do any of that.

 

Depends on your definition of "think." If it's one of the common dictionary definitions, like "direct one's mind toward someone or something; use one's mind actively to form connected ideas" then programs do actually think. Witness the marketing AI who knows when a woman is pregnant before her husband does.

 

The thinking was done by the programmers not the machine. The IBM Watson didn't win Jeopardy but a team of Engineers and Programmers won Jeopardy. I hope you don't believe your home thermostat cycles the AC on because it periodically Thinks it is too hot.

 

Then you might as well say you don't think at all, it was actually your parents who did that for you.

No, the engineers gave a computer the ability to learn - to figure out for itself the logic that links questions and answers - something the engineers did not give it in the first place.

 

Incorrect! The basic programming was done by programmers, but the learning was done by the machine itself. Nowadays complex AI tasks are trained, not programmed.

That's like saying you didn't succeed - any successes you had were because your parents made you.

Nope. My thermostat is quite dumb; no learning at all.

 

Saying the Computer learned is like saying a Library learned when a new book was added.

 

But Learning is not Thinking. Neural Nets do Pattern Matching and that's it. There is no Thinking coming out of Neural Nets. That's pure superstition and Science Fiction.

You're being pretty mean to your Thermostat.

 

And at a high level that's all you do, too.

Nope. You actually have to read the book (or train the AI) to learn something.

 

No it isn't. Not at all.

You really should bring your understanding of computers into the 21st century.

 

Well, this "learning" computer beat the 9th dan world champion in Go, the most intuitive game in the world.

Google’s AI beats world Go champion in first of five matches

Algorithm vs intuition

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35761246#:[/quote]
Actually the AlphaGo AI beat Lee Se-dol 4 out of 5 games. The AI invented completely new strategies which had never been played before by humans in this 3500 year old game.

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And Go is not a purely mathematical game. It is too complex with too many variables to respond to specific strategies as with chess. Time restrictions prevent the full calculation of all possible moves and their responses

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_and_mathematics[/quote]