Liars... liars... filthy American Liars

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Basically no matter how you put a spin on it: we are screwed!

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Well, I know that gvts lie, and companies lie, and people lie.

But in order to side step this socialist/ capitalist moaning people do, I would like to say I am against all abuse of asymmetric power relations.

Everyone with more power has the ability to oppress you. The point is how can you distribute the power? The libertarian likes to use guns and insists upon the rights of the individual above all else. The comunist prefers the society, run by its members in a properly democratic fashion. Either way, power is not invested in entities that are outwith your control.

 

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You guys complaining about US are all retarded. Do you guys ever observe, reflect, think, process, perform prospective unto the future, do any of these things. Because it seems that all you prefer doing is eating back the vomit you just spit and somehow enjoying it and mocking anyone that suggest reform.

Does anyone realize that if the arabs start being independant and develop their own agendas they don't have to worry about other people lies or in that matter dog barks either.

Never do I hear from you arab proponents some good arguments about improving the danting situation over there. Is the reason we have a horrible infrastructure because conspiracy theory and American Lies. Does our education system suck because of America. Do people sheat and steal and give bribes on regular basis because of America. Do people not respect their land, their environment, and themselves because of America....ect...ect....

Blame policy = corrupt two faced policy = retarded policy = backward steps. = more blame

Don't you see it's a viscious cycle that keeps arabs from ever moving and behind the scenes arab leaders are fueling the blame cycle to keep the mob from focusing on their internal affairs.

 

What a bunch of crap you are pulling out of your old sock Flores , before I argue some serious good points you make Ill go into your silly blabla first :

hey as we are at peace I figured lets forget about the insults .
For as long as that lasts ..........

Now for actual point you make :


Do you guys ever observe, reflect, think, process, perform prospective unto the future, do any of these things.


How about understanding the situation you are in by understanding your past ? Only then you can determine and manipulate a prosporous future .

mocking anyone that suggest reform.

Ill be the first that calls for reform
Reform doesnt mean Amerikanzie however , something that is already happened way to much .

Does anyone realize that if the arabs start being independant and develop their own agendas they don't have to worry about other people lies or in that matter dog barks either.

Are you aware the peoples of Arabia have absolutely no saying in nothing as they are being oppressed by their regimes ? What should they do ? Those regimes , where do the hell do you think they come from . They are all one by one either friends or ex-friends of USA .

Never do I hear from you arab proponents some good arguments about improving the danting situation over there.

What arguments ? We need revolution .
Islamic revolution that is , but hey ...if all Arabs are like you and care only for their direct surroundings , SHIT HAPPENS . But what can they do ? Tell me please

Is the reason we have a horrible infrastructure because conspiracy theory and American Lies.
Does our education system suck because of America.
Do people sheat and steal and give bribes on regular basis because of America.
Do people not respect their land, their environment, and themselves because of America....ect...ect....


For the most part the regimes and systems who are all OF Amerika in different ways are responsible .

Don't you see it's a viscious cycle that keeps arabs from ever moving and behind the scenes arab leaders are fueling the blame cycle to keep the mob from focusing on their internal affairs.

They have to blame the regimes that are there right now .
Down with Mubarak . Down with Ba'ath . Down with the Saud . And down with the oil-states .

But how are we doing that without understanding our problems as an UMMAH ? People suffer mostly because they're idiots who allow themselves to suffer , if they would be 1 they would not suffer as they do now .

 

No the past sucks. We need to run away from the past to make a change. I forbid to repeat the past, I already took a look at it and I don't like it.

Amerikanzie is not music and macdonald and fashion. That's all the arabs are interested in from america. Arabs are consumers and slaves to the American economy, because they lack the work ethic necessary to evolve.

Please don't give me that. Europe has just undergone regime changes and revolutions. Why is it us the only people that would rather adapt to our failure.

Oh no Islamic revolution. look at yourself now, you are not processing, understanding, reflecting, or nothing. For god sake, if you just reflect on our little circle of discussion, me and you are decent people and I feel like plucking your eyes out every other sentence. Now go figure out the christians in Egypt and Lebanon and other countries, the Shiah, the Sunni, the Hanifi, ect.....State and religion must stay separate, or we'll eat each other alive and live miserably while doing it.

Easy boy....Take a breath. All of these will be downed inshaallah....Because one day they'll die naturally and their sons will take over.

Here you go again. People as citizens are fighting for their life and their land. This is not a holly fight. The people must all want the same thing. I want peace, liberty, freedom, and justice. What do you want.....? Let me know for the sake of this discussion to see if the Ummah that you are talking about have common requests.

 

Flores
First I edited my post and eliminated the personal attack. Although I was so pissed at you, smoke started coming out of my nose. Our Quran says, debate them with wisdom and nice words, so I will try.

LMAO ...... well you did certainly piss me of on several occasions and I dont get pissed that easily about some forum , so you really did it and indeed smoke started coming out of my :m: actually , anyways you are right on Qu'ran as well .

No the past sucks. We need to run away from the past to make a change. I forbid to repeat the past, I already took a look at it and I don't like it.

Yes but we have to acknowledge the past , because THAT is what makes us what we are today , a bunch of pathetic whino's and mass-demonstrators and meanwhile dropping everybody like we have dropped the Palestinians into hell for instance .

Arabia has been colonized for ages , its independance was a joke , it was brutal dictatorship only for individual interests , and those interests were created and provided by the USA (amongst the earlier French and Brits) .

Amerikanzie is not music and macdonald and fashion. That's all the arabs are interested in from america. Arabs are consumers and slaves to the American economy, because they lack the work ethic necessary to evolve.

well its part of it , and a part that can be fought by Islam , its ridiculous what the modern Arabic world has turned to , some fake USA we even got that damn million dollar questions shows mixed with Jew-hate governmentally sponsored propaganda again for their own purpose .

Many indeed lack work ethic , but many have slave jobs working very hard for 0 because 0 is max that they can get out of their jobs ........ Down with the oil states and we dont need an amazing work ethic , its the peoples oil not the sheikhs .

Please don't give me that. Europe has just undergone regime changes and revolutions. Why is it us the only people that would rather adapt to our failure.

What changes in Europe ? Europe is for the EU profitable the rest can just die according to the EU , just as always . I dont see Bulgaria or Albania or Romania having such wonderfull changes ......

As for Arabia , tell me how are you gonna change ? Yes they obviously have to do it themselves , but how the hell are you opposing the regimes if not together ? And there is no possibility for Arab solidarity and strong nations because of Israel , that never changed and never will as long as it exists this way . And America is providing $ as always .

Sure many Arabs are indeed adapting to there failure , but many are willing to do something , but what can they do ? And again everybody is fighting their own struggle , it leads nowhere .

Oh no Islamic revolution. look at yourself now, you are not processing, understanding, reflecting, or nothing. For god sake, if you just reflect on our little circle of discussion, me and you are decent people and I feel like plucking your eyes out every other sentence. Now go figure out the christians in Egypt and Lebanon and other countries, the Shiah, the Sunni, the Hanifi, ect.....State and religion must stay separate, or we'll eat each other alive and live miserably while doing it.

LOL , I knew this was the reaction i was getting , you obviously misunderstand Islamic revolution with fundamentalist taliban revolution . All I want is for Islam to return in peoples values , and them to feel tied as Muslims under one Ummah so that they can make a fist together , Islam can unite peoples to have a common cause so something can actually happen .

Ofcourse an Islamic state doesnt have to imply no religious freedom for the others . There where Islam conflicts their religion or beliefs or whatever , they dont have to be subject of it as long as its reasonable . Again , Islamic revolution isnt the same as Khomeini in Iran .

Easy boy....Take a breath. All of these will be downed inshaallah....Because one day they'll die naturally and their sons will take over.

See thats what im talking about , they're sons ....... they think they're damn monarchs and even if they would be .......

Here you go again. People as citizens are fighting for their life and their land. This is not a holly fight. The people must all want the same thing. I want peace, liberty, freedom, and justice. What do you want.....? Let me know for the sake of this discussion to see if the Ummah that you are talking about have common requests.

I obviously want exactly the same as you , and hopefully the Ummah would strive for the same . That is Justice Equality and Freedom so there can be Peace . People as citizens who are fighting for their life and are in the situation as the peoples we speak of , are most definetly fighting Jihad . Why is it not Jihad ? Are they not fighting for Allah ? That is for everything Allah stands for , Are they not fighting for Justice ?

 

Marquis:

If 'accepting' things as they are is synonym of abandonning the world to itself, you can chose to do nothing if that is your style.

As for what others have to offer, I am sure you are the last one to have looked at alternatives, for you are content with the injustices that surround you by saying to yourself: "I am but one single man and cannot do anything".

So don't do anything Marquis, just don't slow down those who still believe in the betterment of the world.

 

I agree, it's a sad situation, that will be solved last after all the arab problems are solved. Unfortunately, Im really convinced now that Palestine is like the last peace of the puzzle, certainly not the first. So bandage solutions should be adopted in the meanwhile.

I see great example of an independant muslim state. Malasia. I have travelled before on business to Thailand and Malasia and the difference I felt between those two countries was night and day. I felt that Thailand was dirty not just on the outside but inside people's hearts. Everyman had this dirty look on his face like he just finished or going to get a prostitue. On the other hadn their neighbor, Malasia was beautiful and clean. The ladies rode bycicles and wore a suit with pant and jacket was a little long and a head cover. The govenment adminstrator that I was going to visit was a woman that was so smart and literally had the five moustaches in the room under perfect control. Those asians have great work ethics, so I think you have better luck coming up with Ummah in Asia over the middle east.

Nah, without the ethic, their will be new Sheiks and corruption, ect., and someone else will get the oil. This is what god is trying to communicate with us. He is showing us manifest that treasure and resources within itself is useless and hardwork and dedication is what counts. God say, we have created man in toil, not sanbathing with oil fields to pay the bills.

Even Romania had change when they removed their dictator and gotten ride of communism. All the Soviet Union little countries almost got their freedom. I don't know if their freedom means much, but maybe those people don't know what they want from freedom for the first place.

No hope, unless you construct mass surgeries on all the arabic people and extract the old shoe. Start with me.

It leads, but they are working hard not smart. Let me explain. If I wish to do something worthwhile in my business, I invest in it, I some up with new ideas. I don't go using others ideas so I can gain temporary gain, then everyone will know me for what I'm a copycat and raise the price of their ideas on me. They will think they are all that, and I must be the idiot, because I can't use their ideas. Every person working must start building their trade, investing in their work. The guy that sweeps the street must take pride, the engineers must get off their lazy ass and design homemade products instead of importing American garbage and American Engineers to show them how to operate the American garbage. It is the ethic that I'm talking about, we must gain new ethics, home is home and work is work. Do you know that the Germans and the Japanese when told to take a day off, they refuse and come to work.

Back to being tied to a name that means nothing and getting lazy and forgetting the ethics. Didn't I tell you no one know what is in the hearts. By just me knowing that everyone in my country is muslim, I have immediately prejudged them, because we know that muslims don't steal, don't lie, streat their parent well, ect...ect....Noone will have motivation to show their real worth where it counts in life and will be obsessed and competing in the number of prayers that they can do and how many more nights can they stay up and how many days a year do they fast. Those are the criteria for a muslim. But the guys that stays two hours late over scrubbing that toilet is not percieved as muslim enough.

How about religious freedom for the muslims, are you going to allow that, or do I have to convert to gain religious freedom in your new state.

No you don't Jihad. Because I found Justice, liberty, peace, and freedom in the USA, My country, my Ummah, the country that I wouldn't trade for all the oil of Saudi, and you don't see it at all, like there is a huge veil on your eyes.

 

Flores:
Unfortunately, Im really convinced now that Palestine is like the last peace of the puzzle, certainly not the first.

I tend to think its the other way around , its just started .

you have better luck coming up with Ummah in Asia over the middle east.

Indeed

This is what god is trying to communicate with us. He is showing us manifest that treasure and resources within itself is useless and hardwork and dedication is what counts. God say, we have created man in toil, not sanbathing with oil fields to pay the bills.

I agree , but those resources are now being exploited anyhow , they can be used as a step out , they can be used to develop a country instead of build another palace .

Hey wait a minute , where did Allah speak of oil ? I didnt know this , can you refer to something ? I didnt think value of oil was known ........

Even Romania had change when they removed their dictator and gotten ride of communism. All the Soviet Union little countries almost got their freedom. I don't know if their freedom means much, but maybe those people don't know what they want from freedom for the first place.

They wanted freedom as the West had freedom , but they traded a stable secure modest situation for freedom , now they are free and poor ......
As long as they are left out of the EU they suffer from capitalism instead of profiting , and this goes for many other European countries .

Every person working must start building their trade, investing in their work. The guy that sweeps the street must take pride, the engineers must get off their lazy ass and design homemade products instead of importing American garbage and American Engineers to show them how to operate the American garbage. It is the ethic that I'm talking about, we must gain new ethics, home is home and work is work. Do you know that the Germans and the Japanese when told to take a day off, they refuse and come to work.

I agree , but this is a change that can happen only if they identify as a people and work on it together , thing is nationalism/arabism has been a joke last 60 years , Islam is the only thing that can persuade people to look after eachother and build their country , but again they wont ever be allowed toomuch by the regimes ...... Interests is whats at stake

By just me knowing that everyone in my country is muslim, I have immediately prejudged them, because we know that muslims don't steal, don't lie, streat their parent well, ect...ect....

Thing is .....good Muslims arent supposed to steal , or lie etc , but Muslims are human and make mistakes , that doesnt make non-Muslim .....

Noone will have motivation to show their real worth where it counts in life and will be obsessed and competing in the number of prayers that they can do and how many more nights can they stay up and how many days a year do they fast. Those are the criteria for a muslim. But the guys that stays two hours late over scrubbing that toilet is not percieved as muslim enough.

And thats a problem right there , they are totally brainwashed by religion and the useless and negative effect it has on their lives .
Its totally ridiculous how and on what they judge Muslims , indeed they need entirely other ethics .

Why dont they take an example to Al-Aziz , as the man scrubbing doesnt let false images and silly ideas obstruct him in his hard working for his Al-Adl cause his hungry family ?

Thats what Im talking about , back to Islam , not a phoney fasting-contest .

How about religious freedom for the muslims, are you going to allow that, or do I have to convert to gain religious freedom in your new state.

See thats the thing I dont understand why you dont understand , Deen . we know Deen is absolutely everything in some way as Islam isnt it ? Its not just religion ......... And it has been used very wrongly I understand the need you have for returning to faith in the religion instead of organizations etc , as they only bring misery you are 100% correct .

Thing is , there can be ways these things work very well , just not like this . The problem today is that islam is organized where its not needed to be so , while its disorganized where it should be so .

So to answer your question , Islam doesnt compete with any other religions , so everybody should be free to follow whatever religion one pleases and do whatever spiritual/intellectual/pray/whatever it wishes to do , be it to rocks , pictures on walls invisible deity's or letters , whenever he/she wishes and however he/she wishes . Islam only advises certain things , why do we need to take certain details and make them fundamental , some things are more eesential as others

No you don't Jihad. Because I found Justice, liberty, peace, and freedom in the USA, My country, my Ummah, the country that I wouldn't trade for all the oil of Saudi, and you don't see it at all, like there is a huge veil on your eyes.

And so have I in within Europe , we are the lucky ones , but many others are not so lucky , what about them ? Unlike many brothers and sisters , I simply cant live life like its a party as we're in disneyland , I have family in Syria , I dont like what is happening and I dont just ignore it because I was lucky enough not to get stuck in there ....... And like I said , the Ummah as Arab is one thing , but what about Indonesia , Kashmir , Chechnya , and what about all non-Muslim peoples who are suffering so you and I can have prosporous lives in the first world where there is peace . There exists a 3rd world because there exists a 1st , they are inter-dependant . Look at how our countries are made up ............ they are totally fake serving purpose of colonists

 

Very good Post Jihad. I agree with all points.

 

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If you folks think Dubya lied about Iraq's WMD's, just wait until he unfolds his "Sharon inspired" V2.0 of Middle East ROAD MAP TO PEACE, with 256 minor "adjustments," by killer Sharon, of-course.

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By the time Dubya and the LIKUD fat man (the real power behind the Whitehouse throne), the one that issues him his marching orders (Sharon) are done...

Palestine will be a postage stamp sized tent village in the Gobi desert and the Joos will have moved the Whitehouse (not the US embassy) to Jerusalem and incoming JooZie president, Jose LIEBerman, will have the Vietnam Wall bull dozed (hopefully not by the IDF lest we have riots in DC) and replaced by another (what else!) Holocaust Memorial--with Elie Weasal doing the ribbon cutting as per usual.

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My, my, AIPAC and the the Holocaust Industries are doing so well in America as it is and then we have this to worry about!


Abdulla....

 

Shoron is not controlling America (just bribing our leaders) its another fat man that’s doing that.

I hate racists that think the Jews are that smart, that cunning and that powerful to take over the world. You might as well believe its being control by aliens.

 

Interesting Jew-alien analogy.

However, even if you like to believe otherwise, it is much more rational to say that a country strougly influence others in their decision making than saying aliens control the planet...

I think what Abdualle meant was that the "Holocaust"(like if there weren't any other) tradgedy is put on a pedestal and is used as a extortion\propaganda tool for the legitimacy of the zionist cause.
I mean face it, Americans laugh about every country in the world execpt Isreal for the simple reason that people will call you anti-semetic for doing so.

If you can't say what you want to say in your own country... I call that influence.

Prisme

 

That's retarded at best.

So are you saying that because the Americans don't laugh about the jews is because of influence, and the reason they laugh about the arabs is because of lack of influence. So Do you wish that Americans laugh about all equally or do you prefer the arabs grow some respect and influence for themselves.

And by the way, I'm American and at complete freedom to equally laugh about the jews and arabs anytime.

 

Oil as a weapon........

Abdulla: Careful Flores--in your next life you could be an Israeli/Arab!

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Abdulla....

PS: As for "Arab influence and respect." I remember the oil embargo of 1972, and I say "All the Arabs would have to do is to turn off the oil spigots for 30-90 days" and Israel would be in the trash bin of history and the US would have to cut bait!

 

Yep if only America could make their own fuel, which is technically possible but our politicians are so lazy they won’t dare fund such a thing!, instead they will bribe and control leaders of oil rich countries (like Iran and Saudi Arabia who’s leader owe it all to the USofA for placing them in power) those that do not give all to the UsofA will be crushed by our undefeatable military (as we saw in iraq) you see we are not civilized to the rest of the world (I think we were before WWII, I think.) we are a empire of conquest and power, all must yield there resources or die!

Do I agree with this: NO! I would rather see a very independent USofA that relies on no one and places its will on no one, but those dam Oil companies, dam propaganda and dam stupid idiotic citizens! We won’t learn tell we fall and then there is no coming back we will be summarily screwed.

 

Fuel does not equal arabs!!!

American Petroleum Institute:

http://api-ec.api.org/industry/index.cfm?bitmask=001004000000000000

Click on "U.S. imports of crude oil"


List:

1-Canada
2-Saudi
3-Mexico
4-Iraq
5-Venezuela
6-Nigeria
7-United Kingdom
8-Russia
9-Colombia

So the U.S. just took over its 4th main supplier of oil.
Fuel prices go up and people are misinformed enough to believe that most of their oil comes from the middle-east.

Prisme

P.S. Just like baby-boomers were though in school that the U.S. was bigger geographically than Canada and the U.S.S.R.
(gov't made the chart makers change the size in order to give the impression to kids that they were superior... who's the fascist now?)

 

Venezuela will be next... especially with anti-american Cavez in power. He will probably claim Cavez is making bioweaponzed malaria or something.

 

our oil exports are=> imports.
oil crises fabricated for oil company profits.

with respect