why we need ghosts

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by birch, Feb 27, 2016.

  1. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Would the following clip be of such spooky interest if it showed naked men following each other into bushes?
    The supposedly ghost US civil war soldiers in this clip, had to wear clothes or uniforms to take away any doubts these were ghosts and were easily dated and related to past times at that location.

    That's probably a throwback to times before electric light and night was 'dark' with just flickering candles and short range lanterns.
    And, besides, spirits are pretty flammable near naked light. ( There's that word 'naked' again. tee-hee.)
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    "Why we need ghosts"

    This thread reminds me of a scene from The Meaning of Life:

    A man is lecturing to an almost empty classroom consisting of one adult, two little kids and a woman with big hair in the back. He ends his lecture saying "And that is why we will always need war - and may God strike me down if it's not true."

    The hand of God appears and strikes him down.

    The drill sergeant outside notices that his recruits are staring at the hand of God, and screams "Don't stand there gawking - what, you never seen the hand of God before?"
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Plus I am fairly sure the clothes they appear in would not be the clothes they either died in or were buried in

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  7. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    It would be funny rather than scary for a spook to be walking around in a wooden overcoat.

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  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Seeing apparitions in historical garb is probably a sign of a residual haunting where events of the past are replayed over and over again like in a loop. The apparitions of soldiers on the fields of Gettysburg would be an example of that. A figure standing at an old hotel window where someone committed suicide would be another.
     
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  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    The core point here is

    WHY DO THE CLOTHES GET TO GO TO THE OTHER SIDE?

    You might add to that other stuff

    If if if ghost are dead people, are clothes dead clothes?

    Mum how do clothes die?
    Mum the dead soldier has a gun. How do guns die?
    Mum the ghost was wearing glasses. How do glasses die?
    Mum why do I have to go to my room?

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  10. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Wouldn't you expect the ghost to be wearing what he was buried in?
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The risk there, of course, is that you're implicitly granting the premise that ghosts exist (even if for the sake of argument).

    It is far, far easier to build an argument about what ghosts might be wearing - since there is no right or wrong answer - than it is to build an argument that ghosts exist in the first place.

    So, once you grant such a premise for the sake of the argument, you get things like:

    True? False? Evidenced? Who knows? Now we're writing fiction. We might as well be arguing the leanness of the anti-matter mix in the warp engines of the Enterprise.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Of course. Regardless of whether or not "spirits of the dead" exist, and whether or not the manifestations reported are spirits of the dead, the interpretations by people like Magical Realist are fiction. We're just examining the internal consistencies of that fiction.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    No

    Ghost being the spirit the dead person
    Are you saying clothes are alive and have spirits and die at the same time as the dead person?
    And it is doubtful people are buried in the clothes they died in

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  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Of course not; that would be silly.

    Clothes die when the cotton that makes them up dies. Then the ghost of the cotton mingles with the ghost of the person wearing it. That's why ghosts are so ill-defined and hard to see; you are seeing the cotton their clothing is made of, not the actual clothing.

    That's also why mixed blends are illegal per the Bible - it hinders the clothing's journey to Heaven. And all clothes go to Heaven. At least all cotton clothes; not those sinful blends.
     
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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yup. It's just that it encourages him in his yarn-spinning.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I like how you can type and post with. tongue in cheek

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  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "Paranormal enthusiasts often report sighting spirits dressed in Victorian period clothing, flowing white dresses, or just jeans and t-shirts. Why? If ghosts are, as paranormal investigators would have us believe, essentially human spirit energy stuck in purgatory between earth and the great beyond, why do their manifestations include the manufactured convention of clothing? We consulted paranormal and death experts from around the globe on what ghosts are wearing these days and why.

    Putting aside for a moment the (irrelevant) question of whether or not ghosts exist, let’s focus our metaphysical energies on exploring the latest in phantasm fashion.

    Up in Vermont, Betty DuPont, director of Paranormal Investigators of New England (PI-NE) says she had her first brush with the paranormal while renting a room in an old Victorian home. After several days of returning from work to strange unexplainable phenomena, she awoke one night to an apparition of a short man in an overcoat standing next to her bed. As to why an overcoat and not say, lederhosen, DuPont has a theory.

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    After life, Geena Davis and Alec Baldwin still look sharp in Beetlejuice. Image: Jane O'Neal/Getty Images

    "[Ghosts are] projecting themselves in the way that they last perceived themselves. Even if they burnt in a fire or they died in surgery, they still appear wearing clothing because that’s how they best knew themselves," said DuPont. She says ghosts wear neither what they died in nor what they were buried in. They wear the clothes that feel most closely attached to their identity in life. DuPont reflected, "the clothing that is coming out now, is going to be what ghosts are wearing in the future. The designers that are designing now, their designs will live on for eternity."---- https://www.racked.com/2016/3/21/11264216/ghosts-human-clothes-paranormal-fashion
     
  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Stuff that

    If I am going to come back as a ghost I will come back naked

    Which now I think about it
    I guess there have never been nudeist ghost who feel most comfortable with no clothes

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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Posting images from Beetlejuice to support your theories is like posting pictures from Star Wars to support your views on extraterrestrial aliens.
     
  20. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Nice to have a theory

    Hopefully followed up by research

    Dead babies who have no concept of themselves?

    What do they come back dressed in?

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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Why, a womb of course.
     
  22. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't see why not. Rocks have spirits, don't they?

    When the cotton boll dies - rather traumatically, by amputation - its ghost haunts the clothing that it is made into. There may be some collusion between the haunted corpse and the haunted clothes it wears.
     
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  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Keanu Reeves' ghost encounter..

     
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