Reality is mathematics / Mathematics is reality ?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A functional expression of Brownian motion?
    A Stochastic system?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Question; Can we name the natural imposition of a limit, a "mathematical function of the universe"?
    A process involving a form of calculus?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

    A common denominator of everything in the universe. A mathematical constant.
     
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  5. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm. First of all, a chaotic system is natural, the universe is full of chaos. But it's also full of order (thanks mainly to gravity, I guess). Randomness, chaos, these are human concepts of states of naturally "computed" systems. The universe doesn't have any problems with it, it isn't a program crash.
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Calculus was invented by humans.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yep, our imitation of natural mathematical processes. That does not mean the Universe does not have the potential for a form of inherent ability for calculus. It means the opposite.
    You can't accuse the teacher of not practising what it teaches in physical reality.

    SOL, is a human symbolic mathematical quantitative concept of a constant natural limit imposed on all things in the universe.
    Ask. How does the universe know an object is approaching this constant speed limit? How does an object know it is approaching this constant speed limit? A process of calculus must take place to prevent the object from exceeding this mathematical speed limit.

    We can say this is a physical process, but that's irrelevant. The process itself is a mathematical function, a calculus of permissions and restrictions. In a computer the artificial program is defined as "binary". The universe has infinite probabilistic computational potentials based on;
    Purely abstract informational processing of mathematical values and functions.....

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    Mathematical order, a potential of Chaos.
     
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  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    On the contrary, we imitate it for our own pleasure and convenience....

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  10. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    But this imitation means that the universe must have the potential you speak of, since this potential is realised once the universe has humans in it. That is, if you accept the universe computes, then life and humans is part of that.

    The idea that humans can calculate "independently" is full of holes. We cannot calculate anything if we're independent of a universe to observe, and we aren't in that condition.

    Maybe it's an illusion we need, because we need free will and the notion of independence.
     
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    Perhaps the only circular argument that holds true; a self referencing mathematical system, expressed as our reality and enabling us to observe and codify expressed patterns from natural universal mathematical values and functions.
    Can a mathematical universe be an axiom?
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/axiom

    Axiom; Evolution is a mathematical process......

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    I agree. You just cited a mathematical equation..........

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    Mathematical functions are a "sufficient solution" to a "universal need" for an orderly chronology.

    The fundamental law of "Necessity and Sufficiency" (an equation).
    https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/equation
     
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  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, it can be argued to be mathematical, but saying it is mathematics is a very different claim.
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This is what Max Tegmark proposes. He observes that everyone admits to a mathematical aspect.
    "Most scientists propose that the universe has some mathematical properties, I propose the universe has only mathematical properties". (Tegmark)

    And why not? Nothing changes except our perspective on the ultimate fundamental properties of the universe.
     
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    Finally!
    So rewrite the OP title to read, ( rhetorical)

    " Reality is mathematical..."
    instead of mathematics and problem solved.
     
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  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    As I posted in post #265
     
  17. arfa brane call me arf Valued Senior Member

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    Look at astronomy. We presume that the information gathered is something we can choose--we can choose which part of the celestial sphere to 'receive information' from.

    We independently of observations, choose what to look at. That means we decide what the universe is "saying" to us. We also decide, that is, what the encoding is--maybe we get this right.

    But regardless of how we choose to 'decode the messages' the universe sends our way, information has structure, mathematical structure (information is algebraic). According to me, the algebra appears because we break a symmetry.
    Perhaps this occurs when we decode the messages.
     
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    I agree with the gist of your posit. I would put this way; We decide what to look for because it is within our ability to observe and record it. Which is actually only a small portion of the universe.

    However, we now have acquired the ability to force the universe to reveal some of its remaining secrets. The Higgs boson is far removed from our observational reality, yet we forced the universe to reveal the Higgs' boson by applying the correct functional mathematics in the collider.
     
  19. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    And the meaningless mumbo-jumbo about potentials and functions goes on.....

    Back to Ignore.......[click]
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, universal properties and processes exist for real, in the abstract, independent of any human observation.
    It does not in the least sound like mumbo-jumbo. Outright rejection without a reasonable explanation of why an abstract concept is somehow preposterous, when the universe clearly displays these expressed properties and function for our observation. Is that preposterous?

    There is not a shred of supernatural suggestion in the concept of a mathematical universe. It's an axiom.
     
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    :audible blink:
    They think farms with pivot irrigation are crop circles?

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    "No matter whether they come from aliens or some futuristic lawn-mowing service, crop circles are a sight to behold because they’re so geometrically impressive.

    A study conducted by physicist Richard Taylor revealed that, somewhere in the world, a new crop circle is created every night, and that most designs demonstrate a wide variety of symmetry and mathematical patterns, including Fibonacci spirals and fractals."

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    Who is they?

    Oh, these are pictures of human farms......well what's the problem?
     

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