Morphological personality of interactive emotional mechanics(modern social empathy)

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  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    is it changing ?
    is it evolving ?

    i have been pondering this fairly(more than a quizical fascination for several years prior) intently for around a year now.
    more soo lately over the last few months.

    if you know what i am talking about in general please post some thoughts observations or such like.
     
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  3. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    If you could translate from jargon to English, it would help.
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    as a fundermental part of social culture and interaction
    is the defintion of social culture empathy changing ?
    being considerate of another persons feelings & how that effects & dictates social behaviour, profesionally and socialy in public.
    is social culture changing how it defines normal social interaction by taking into account the feelings(perspectives lifes etc...) of others

    if you think it is, how ?
    etc ...
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    oddly enough here is an example of differing opinions of displays of social empathy.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45586180
    while i think slapping the child may not be ideal.
    i do not think the driver should lose his job over this single inccident.
    was the child likely to run out again and risk death.
    keeping in mind the driver had just saved the boys life.
    the reaction of the surrounding children was manic and by the very tiny amount of video had the driver not have slapped the child, there might have been a message that it is ok for the rest of the group to run out infront of other busses.

    could the driver have done it differently ?
    yes.
    will the driver be rewarded for saving the childs life by braking in time ?
    probably not.

    there is probably some work required by the school and local authority to put a paid local authority on site to manage the obvious life threatening behaviour of children running out infront of busses.

    what we do not know is if the driver has done this type of thing in the past and what is considered proportional considering he had just emergency braked to avoid killing a child at no fault of his own.

    going back a few decades the child would probably have been told off and the buss driver told to go easy next time by a local police officer with no charges(unles he has prior assault charges etc)

    social customs
    cultural rules
    etc etc...

    how is society changing if you think it is ? if so how ?
     
  8. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    What is being analyzed, the driver's or the boy's actions or both?
     
  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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  10. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    all things are analyzed
    common thread line is empathic responsiveness to the expereincer responding to form the group or interactive communication or action.

    you have also missed some VERY important parts of the scenario
    the group response is extremely important
    aspects of the group response define th enature of perception of many expereincers regardles of the actual events actions.
    the response to this in considering other peoples feelings and personal perspectives as the event unfolds is the key to what i am refering to.

    i shall list 2 things for you to read
    1. empathy(basic & interactive/group)
    2. group behaviour dynamics of social culture(expected norms, customs, types in general, developmental stages of group dynamics & norms, cultural interactive dynamics in a normative homogeneous 1st world western culture)

    once you can apply these aspects to your observation(and the sentence makes sense to you), go ahead and ask me another question.
     
  11. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    I hope you get other responses. I don't have the patience to go through your material.
     
  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    asking for specifics then declaring you cant be bothered reading my response to your request ?
    i removed the jargon as you requested.
    ...
    i hope i get some responses to the subject however i only place the chance in and around a 0.023% chance
     
  13. Bells Staff Member

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    Did you watch the video?

    The bus driver left his bus, walked across the road and just slapped the boy hard enough across the face that it could be heard on the video over the sound of the children yelling..

    He did not slap the child for running in front of his bus. He slapped the child for being disrespectful to him for talking back to him (telling him to shut up) after the event..

    From your link:

    The boy told police he was running across the street to catch his bus after school when he heard a horn and an insult he was not sure was hurled at him, but attributed to the bus driver.

    Le Parisien reported he returned the insult without thinking: "Shut up, go on, move on."

    The video, which begins at this point, shows teenagers laughing before the bus driver gets out of his vehicle and slaps the boy across the face. The boy stands in shock as those around him cry out.

    Do you think that is a valid response?

    I'll put it this way. What if it was a woman who talked back to the bus driver? You would be okay with the bus driver leaving his bus and walking across the road and slapping her across the face for talking back?

    How about if it was an adult man?

    They were laughing and joking around. Probably because their friend had a bus honk the horn at him. They are kids.

    Do you think it is better to send a message that it is okay to physically assault strangers instead?
     
  14. mathman Valued Senior Member

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    Frankly, I am not interested in your subject. I only answered your first post as a courtesy, so that others wouldn't be completely turned off by your jargon.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    narcissistic defense of the sadist
    thats quite a statement


    you mean a girl ?
     
  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    what i think or more soo a small part of it is posted above.
    is emotion a valid response ?
    mostly not.
    is the buss driver racist ? probably
    does that matter when he is hitting a child ?
    or does it only matter when he is hitting someone elses child ?

    but it is not a hit, it is a slap, and thats ok when slapping your own child ... ?

    i do not see the situation as a simple black and white issue.
    i see it as highly complex involving many different moral opinions which are often published and advertised.

    what i agree or dissagree with is not realy my interest.
    my interest is an anthropological position.

    i would prefer if you didnt squeeze the point/thread/topic to request me assert a moral judgment prior to the discussion as a form of self justification.
    though i doubt many may comprehend what i just typed.

    a little dissapointed in how you worded your post Bells.
    i understand you are passionate.
    such is life
    i think i shall take my leave
     
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  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i dont mean literally
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    I don't think it was racism.

    I think it was an issue of control.

    A grown man does not leave his vehicle, particularly a council bus, to smack a child across the face because that child spoke back to him from across the road for nothing. That was all about control, saving face, asserting dominance.

    Do you think that was a valid response?

    You still don't see the issue.

    It matters that he hit anyone.

    Are you suggesting a hit is not a slap? His hands did not make forcible contact with that child's face? So a slap is not hitting someone?

    Again, you are missing the point..

    He should not be slapping anyone..

    I see it as a criminal act.

    What he did was assault.

    Not to mention dereliction of his bus, left the door open in the bus (considering the passengers streaming out of it).

    What if someone had stolen his bus and run someone over? Or driven it into people, or a building or another vehicle?

    Was that slap worth it?

    Was his proving that 'he's the man' worth it?

    Because that is what it comes down to. He slapped that child because he wanted to assert his dominance and control.

    Of which you have yet to show or explain.

    For example, the video you linked does not even connect to or with the subject of this thread. You seem to be mixing things up. Do you think the driver deserves empathy? Or the child he hit?

    It would help if you actually tried to make sense.

    For example.. Social empathy:

    And then you come out with:

    What do you think the answers to your original questions in the OP happen to be given your arguments in this thread about an adult male slapping a child across the face for talking back to him?

    Are you losing any notion of social empathy?

    I'm sorry, did you expect a different response to an adult assaulting a child because he needed to assert his dominance?
     
  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i see several issues.
    i think the simple reaction to the hitting is probably more of a pre programed reaction than to the over all comprehention of what was transpiring.

    you suggest i do not see the issue, when the issue you are referring to is one of any issues in my list of issues.
    my additional point is that 1 single issue of the hitting should not cloud the over all analysis of the event and its surrounding effects and causes etc.

    i think the sensationalisation of the actual slap in the face is likely to give priority acceptance to everything else that was done.
    rarely is an event singular and not having any cause or effect with connected environmental factors.

    my point about suggesting the driver is racist is because the process of acceptance of cultural norms defines acceptable behaviours in groups of behaviours.
    is the act of the slap a racist act ?
    that is not the point so much as the related behavioural norms that are seen as acceptable.
    preaching spare the rod and spoil the child while doing the reverse with sex ed as a religous behavioural norm is clear to see and obviousely quite hypocritical on cause and effect of learning & self accountability.

    assuming the single act of the slap as being a single act is probably a serious error in judgement.

    any act that seeks to balance ego with violence is a clear sign of violent instability.
    are such acts to appease the ego by using volence normalised in western culture ?
    some are some are not.
    moral judgement of what is morally acceptable seems to be an ongoing morphology.
    i would suggest had the little boy been a little girl, the driiver probably would not have got out and slapped her.
    this clearly shows a violence acceptance of normalcy toward boys.
    that is not a uncommon social morality
    do i agree with it moraly ? no
    i am of the anti-smacking side of the intelectual debate.
    always have been.
    so that is the opposite of the perception of what you probably had.
    note, when our perception gets squeezed into a bi-polar norrmalcy, we lose perspective of our ability to remain independently aware.
    events become pre-judged into moral brackets which remove their ability to be analsied independently of social and moral customs.
    this is the difference between being only able to react and be a victim as opposed to be able to choose action.
    reactive vs active etc etc...
    im sure all the pro solving emotional problems with violence towards children are going to raly now.
     
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  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i listened to it(i didnt watch it).
    his comment about empathy relating to writing computer software to interact with people as a product model was interesting.
    programmers want to be able to have the customer respond empathically while the software attunes to empathic processess.
    maybe the holy grail of the higher end of AI.

    a lot of his content is absent without the pictures.
    though as you will know, with mathamatics the ability to comprehend something is missing is the ability to comprehend something.

    Roger needs to practice his lecture and time it a little better and re-write it to be more clinically orientated for audio-linguistics.
    he sounds quite nervous at the beginning and it is easy to hear how he is rushing to try and fit everything in to the time.
    he is much better to listen to once he thinks he has finished in time.
    then he takes on his more normal self and is a lot more affable.
    his passion is evident & quite likable(comprehending some reading may be thinking that i am critiqueing him and without a good word is as much as a bad word for many pre-programmed minds, thus i have re-written this paragraph then post noted it to make the point).


    have not seen the "pattern".
    thanks for the referal, i will look into it.
    i found fibonacci quite magically intrigueing, though lacking a dregree in mathamatics it was all very superficially processed

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    on a geodesic mathamatical note, i ran into some geodesic 3D picture forumula some years back.
    it was very interesting.
    it was not the right time for me to get too far into it.
    to put it in easy to understand language...
    imagine an orb a cube & a pyramid(just for example)
    now insert the tip of the pyramid slightly into the cube
    then with the pyramid attached to the cube, stick the cube into the orb
    soo you have all 3 3d objects stuck into(or beside but, into is more pronounced for a definition) each other.
    then calculate the mathamatical formulas they create as a language.
    this allows the ability to lay out complex ratio & formula examples of types of mathamatical principals.
    i found it very fascinating, way above my head.
    what i was reading was suggesting that it weas an actual language.
    at that time i was not in a position to stick my head into it.
    i am yet to have another(proper) look
     
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I hope you do, his accent may even distract from the profound mathematical visualizations.

    How to construct a curve from only straight lines is truly seeing from a different perspective.

    I am sure you heard the applause during his presentation of the "image " of 4/3 .
    The emergent pattern unfolding as you watch is mesmerizing. A beautifully constructed pattern. Hence the applause.

    Watch it on YouTube if that gives you motion pictures.
     
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    yes i heard the applaus
    i will need to read up on the equation.
    mathamaticians comprehend equational formuli in a manner in which a psycho-analyst percieves personalaties.

    it takes a lot away from the sum of the whole when it is rendered into a discription for the 3rd person to comprehend as a facet of personal atribution dynamics.
    the 3rd person nature is to impiricalise the content of their own desire to remain as they 1st percieved themselves to emotively connect to the innitial perception.
    mathamatics has a laymens perceptual property of insular meaning, where as the mathamatician sees the equation in all things that render its function and causality.
     
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