Should Freedom of Religion include Freedom from Religion?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Goldtop, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    From experience, it is indeed. Education merely reduces it; it can never eliminate it. Some people are allergic to education.
     
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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    I'm more inclined toward Threefold Law as living example.

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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    So what? He also had a beard.
     
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  7. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    "All the bad things I've done before
    Come back to me twice, plus one more".

     
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  8. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, that's the same stuff all theists who don't understand how Communism and Dictatorships work put up.

    You'll just go along with the herd failing to equivocate mass murder with atheism.
     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently theists need a god to tell them that mass murder is wrong. If their god doesn't mention it, it's A-OK.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Sometimes their God tells them it's a good thing.
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Pope Urban II, on the necessity of the Crusades:

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    From the confines of Jerusalem and the city of Constantinople a horrible tale has gone forth and very frequently has been brought to our ears, namely, that a race from the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God, a generation forsooth which has not directed its heart and has not entrusted its spirit to God, has invaded the lands of those Christians . . .

    Let the deeds of your ancestors move you and incite your minds to manly achievements; the glory and greatness of king Charles the Great, and of his son Louis, and of your other kings, who have destroyed the kingdoms of the pagans, and have extended in these lands the territory of the holy church. Let the holy sepulcher of the Lord our Savior, which is possessed by unclean nations, especially incite you, and the holy places which are now treated with ignominy and irreverently polluted with their filthiness. Oh, most valiant soldiers and descendants of invincible ancestors, be not degenerate, but recall the valor of your progenitors. . . .

    Let therefore hatred depart from among you, let your quarrels end, let wars cease, and let all dissensions and controversies slumber. . . . This royal city, therefore, situated at the centre of the world, is now held captive by His enemies, and is in subjection to those who do not know God, to the worship of the heathens. She seeks therefore and desires to be liberated, and does not cease to implore you to come to her aid. From you especially she asks succor, because, as we have already said, God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the kingdom of heaven.
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    I especially liked the "let hatred depart and wars cease, so that you can go to war against a religion I hate."
     
  12. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    God does mention it. Many times in the christian bible, god orders the Hebrews to do it.

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  13. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I see.
    Atheism doesn't kill people.
    People with beards kill people.
     
  14. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    We have been thru this same crap at least 30 times. Maybe more, considering the periods I have not been here.
    No theist presents anything we have not heard again&again. Ignorance, arrogance, assumptions, prejudice, misunderstandings, delirious definitions & cognitive biases.

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  15. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    .... coming from a guy who spams atheist memes.
     
  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    I guess its frustrating when history doesn't support your ideas about atheism, regardless whether its documented politics or the creation of somewhat catholic-sounding anecdotes of Stalin attending confession.
     
  17. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Given that atheists are in the top rung of agents behind genocide, it's not clear how they benefited from skipping that lesson
     
  18. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    That perpetual problem of yours is not related to the facts I stated.

    I am not spamming. You cannot handle the truth.

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  19. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

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    Actually its irrelevance and gormlessness, and inability to bear down on any specific issue that comes up for discussion that proves difficult to handle.
     
  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Here we go again?
    It is your problem. Learn to handle it better.

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  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You might as well say that, since atheism has no sacred text. And no tenets other than not believing in God. One can be an atheist and deeply and unfairly prejudiced against religious people, or one can be an atheist and deeply concerned about religious freedom. So you could say that Stalin attacked religion (initially) because it was a rival ideology to his brand of authoritarian communism.
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It's not clear about how that disbelief in god led to genocide.
     
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  23. Goldtop Registered Senior Member

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    The only thing that supports atheism is the lack of belief in a theists claims of his God. You're under the illusion that Communism and Dictatorships are able to function when the people you want subservient are worshiping another entity and not you.
     

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