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Alanh,
use some compassion combined with analytical thinking when tackeling this difficult problem of the middle east. Also try to think of both sides, because mistakenly you are appearing as a one sided jerk that I don't think you are. I think you are using the wrong side of your brain, switch sides every now and then and you'll start appearing fresh and desirable to all of us.

 

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Abdulla: In case you zionist can't find the "handle" to peace in the Middle East -- it's really quite simple my Zionist pals....

You stop f**king with people--stealing their land, their water and their freedom and then you won't have a hornets nest of Palestinian's trying to giving you Zionist trespassers a face full of dynamite, nails and rat poison:

GET OUT - SCRAM - VAMOOSE - SHALOM - ARRIVADERCHE - ADIOS - ALOHA - HASTA LA VISTA, BABY!

It wasn't the Palestinian's that marched your people to the gas chambers -- so why do you keep f**k'n with them?

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If you have a quarrel - attack the Germans!

But, I am sure if you ever tried--they'd come in and finish the job!*

* Might even reposses their three freebee diesal submarines and give them to the Palestinian's with nukes! (smiling)

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Abdulla....

 

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Flores: I'm being one-sided but the parade of those calling "zionazis" and "murderers" and calling for nukes and celebrating the murder of civilians and dripping with hatred aren't? I don't understand.

You go and compare my last few posts with Abdullahs' and see if you take my meaning.

I'll tell you, I've never seen anyplace like this board, where terrorism and hatred is celebrated, and morality is a subjective matter, imposed on some but not others.

So, tell me exactly what the problem is with being one-sided...if one side is right?

 

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Hold on a minute. For a start, the ICT's own page lists the people behind the ICT - including Shabtai Shavit - Chairman, Board of Directors, former director of the Israeli Intelligence Agency (Mossad). It's not allegedly israeli - it is israeli.
I'd be rather suspect of the independence of any information from the ICT. The same way I'd be suspect of any information from Hamas.
Thing is, every site I find with statistics on the situation is biased one way or another.
http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/focus2002_5-eng
http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/isr-summary-eng
http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/pse-summary-eng

It lead to an IRA ceasefire and the Good Friday agreement.

The problem is that inevitably that approach doesn't work. It was tried in N.I. for 30 years and it just lead to the scale of the atrocities and their frequency increasing every single year. The Good Friday agreement method, while not fast or uncomprimising, has led to the best reduction in violence in 30 years.

 

Sparks: Well, I'm still going to believe that a campaign aimed almost exclusively against civilians is going to kill more civilians than a campaign aimed exclusively against combatants who hide among civilians. At any rate, we choose to believe our own sources.

You need to better answer the question of how root causes worked in Ireland. I know about the agreement George Mitchell negotiated. What I want to know is your take on *how* this root causes approach bears on that.

I also don't believe that the two situations are similar. The IRA never entertained a grand goal of taking over all of Britain.

 

Quote Alanh:
Nothing wrong with occupation if it's justified, as it was in Germany and Japan after WW2, and as it is right now.
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Hitler thought that the occupation of Europe was necessary... who is to say?
Out of the occupation in post-WW2 in Germany came the cold war.

I maintain that occupation is not a solution and the primary mistake of Israel is to believe that it is one.

They should of split the land a long time ago.

I do not condone what the palestinians are doing, but given the circumstances -the Israel injustices and crimes to humanity-, I do not know what else they could be reasonnably expected to do.

Prisme

 

That's a truism, and you don't have evidence that the IDF is actively enforcing it's RoE, and in fact there is evidence that they are not.

Actually, my point was that there aren't any independent sources.

What the hell do you think the agreement is? It is the root causes approach - it gives the IRA political representation in return for a committment to proceed within the system instead of blowing up people. It may not be proceeding quickly - but it has prevented a lot of deaths.

No, and I've yet to hear of Hamas saying that they want to take over all of the US, which is a better analogy. Remember, to Hamas Israel is a subset of Palestine, not a seperate country, and to the IRA, N.Ireland was a subset of Ireland, not a seperate country. In both cases, serious comprimise is necessary, difficult to achieve and the one and only long-term solution that doesn't involve killing everyone.

 

Prisme: you're right, they should have split the land a long time ago...like in late 40s, when the UN extended just such an offer, and only one side took it.

Sparks: compromise is all well and good, but you need two sides who are willing to make a reasonable compromise, and more importantly to agree to it as a final status, and to have the power to enforce it. There's no evidence that many of the main players in Palestine would consider any two-state solution a final settlement, and so far there's been no evidence that the official leadership there is either willing to, or able to, rein in their terrorists.

As for Ireland, I think only time will tell whether the Mitchell plan has achieved true peace, or whether this is a lull in the fighting, as Oslo was in the early 90s. I fervently hope for the former.

 

Consider the fact that its hard to settle for half of what you used to own in full.

 

Prisme: except that the Palestinians didn't own it in full, or even mostly in part. Most of the people there came there after the Zionists settled in and created the business opportunities, and reasons to come.

 

alanh,

You had neither to start with in Belfast.

Nor is there evidence that Sharon (famous for urging Israelis to "take the mountaintops", and with an outstanding court case for war crimes) will uphold his end of any peace agreement. Trust and comprimise is required on both sides.

All of us do. After five years of peace, we're starting to think it's not a lull however, especially as Sinn Fein (the political wing of the IRA) now has several elected officals in the Republic (as opposed to not even having the right to be broadcast on television) and had ministerial level representatives in Stormont until the current political crisis showed up.

 

Look at this map aLanh and tell me where you see a piece of land that wasn't owned by Palestinians before the Isrealites came to take over?


http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story578.html

 

Prisme: none of it was, as there was never a historic state of Palestine. Do you mean the portions owned by Jordan...or Britain?

And do you mean the land that Zionists *bought* from the previous owners?

Or the land given up by Jordan, etc. when they attacked Israel and lost?

Which land do you mean?
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Sparks: A world where a Sharon is up for war crimes, but an Arafat isn't, speaks volumes...but regardless... I think what we see now in Ireland is similar to what we saw in Israel during the early Oslo period. We'll see where it goes, and I wish you the best.

 

My definition of ownership seems to differ from your aLanh.

Ownership belongs to the guy that has his house established there first.
You can tell all foreign invaders and their own selfish treaties to go jerk off.
This 'conquerer takes all' behavior may be okay with you, but I don't think its legitemate for an invader (ei the British) to legiferate laws that creates a Jewish country over an already occupied territory.

It is even a greater injustice when the U.N. tolerates the ethnic cleansing that the new 'owners' endorse.

Even if there isn't an official country named Palestine, it's odd that this specific ethnicity (the palestinians) have been targetted in the region and forced to move from where they lived (thus owned) into segregated ghettos and subdued in a state of occupation.

You can hide behind international draconian laws of the 40's, but most of us know that law does not always make right.

Prisme

 

Prisme: well, if we want to go there, and I dispute your account of it in any event, but if we wish to go there, it was still the Jews' land first.

And, of course, if we're talking about ownership, there's plenty of deeds showing how the early Zionists bought their land from those who owned it before.

What we're really talking about, of course, is government, not private ownership, and what we're really, *really* talking about is that Israel should be Judenrein...

 

The world 2,000 years ago acording to the Jewish trespassers.

Abdulla: Hey Prisme--what you trying to do--change some Zionist thinking?

4Get it!

The only thing they understand is 15 lbs of cordite, 2 kilos of penny nails and some ( how appropriate, huh? ) RAT POISON in a back pack!

Oh, yes, yes, they will condemn you and accuse you of attacking "innocent" Jews. But of-course, in their book there is no such thing as INNOCENT ARABS.

AlanH: "It was the Jews land first!"

See Prisme, they even sound like a 4 year old trying to take all the toys from the other children.

Tell me AlanH, and who the hell did North America belong to when the fr!k!n European's and robber barons ( many Jews included, of-course) came here to murder, rape, pillage and pollute the land with their murderous ilk dragging their muskets, syphilis and gonorrhea bacterium, barbed wire and scalping technics?

I'd like to see the whole fr!k!n world return to the borders of 2,000 years ago--especially the US, LOL!

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Interesting huh Prisme: And these trespassers DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY BORDERS in that little corrupt piece of crapped up stolen mud called Isriol! Much less a CONSTITUTION declaring "all" the people of Isriol (Israeli/Arabs included) to be "Endowed with certain inalienable rights--such as LIFE, LIBERTY and the pursuit of HAPPINESS and MAYBE even a lousey BILL OF RIGHTS!

Real DEMOCRACY you have there, huh Alan, Jerrek and you, you, you, you Latvian cross dresser -- sorry, I forgot your name.

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Abdulla.....

PS: Hey AlanH, the only land the Jews bought was the land occupied by Arabs with enough weapons to kick their arses and that was minimal!

 

Please don't confuse the Zionists with the facts Prisme.

Abdulla: Oh Prisme, still trying to confuse the Zionists with the true facts, huh?

Well, it's a WASTE OF TIME--when the facts don't favor them--they MANUFACTURE them!

Currently, at Tel Aviv university much is being done to remove all of the Zionist lies off the Israeli history books and return to the TRUTH---something the Zionist hordes have a problem with.

The rabid Zionists have actually turned to calling these decent Jewish historians at Tel Aviv university: "Anti-Semites!

UNBELIEVABLE!!!

Abdulla...

 

"I'd like to see the whole fr!k!n world return to the borders of 2,000 years ago"

"The only thing they understand is 15 lbs of cordite, 2 kilos of penny nails and some ( how appropriate, huh? ) RAT POISON in a back pack!"


Spoken like a true Arab.

 

alanh how can you say that!?

 

Zionism: Nothing more than Nazism with a bagal flavor.....