Possible Bioweapons Lab Found in Iraq

Prisme,
In fairness, his conclusion isn't supportable, hence my comment. By which I mean that if you find a trailer such as was found, with a collection of equipment that can be used for bio-lab type activities, but without the necessary seals and safety gear for the technicians, and without any forensic evidence of activity at any time, then there are two more likely possibilities than Powell's:
1) It's a trailer with bio-lab equipment stacked on it for transport.
2) It's a fake.

His conclusion isn't definitive, as the trailers could not have been used for biological laboratories without a long stream of trained technicians who didn't mind horrible deaths caused because someone didn't bother to buy sealed equipment or suits....


alanH,
If you think I support terrorism, you mustn't have ever read my thoughts on the IRA or UDF or their splinter groups. My criticisms are levelled squarely at the IDF and those that order them, specifically because of the civilians that they have killed. For example, taking the example given in the Dispatches documentary on Gaza where the IDF captured 1 terrorist but killed 7 innocents and injured 67, I have no problem with them capturing the terrorist - and a huge problem with their killing and injuring the 74 other people, who weren't terrorists, but whose families may now produce the next 70 or 80 terrorists that the Israelis have to worry about. Remember, that for every israeli killed to day, three palistinians have been killed. It's beyond belief that they were all terrorists, and it's not acceptable for a government to decide that an innocent person should be punished for a criminal's act.

 

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As I said, I agreed with the sum of your post, I simply emphasized that nothing was "definative" and thus we should not use that nonmenclature in order to avoid inducing others in error.

 

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Sparks: I'd suggest you take a look at the ratio of women killed by terrorist attacks in Israel, vs. women killed in the territories. It's something like 30% vs. 5%. This says a lot.

You also provide no solution to the problem of terrorists who deliberately hide amongst civilians.

And, of course, you get very worked up over civilian deaths on the Arab side, although you seem to gloss over the distinction when you look at the total number of deaths on each side. I find that curious.

 

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Only that you consider a man's life to have a different value to that of a woman's.
Can you provide a reference to the breakdown of deaths into men, women and minors?

The solution is to address the root cause of the problem. People become terrorists because they feel they have no effective legal recourse - hence they resort to extra-legal means. It's not a quick fix, and it does require people to actually make comprimises - and so it's not a popular idea.

You're incorrect if you think I place more value on an Israeli life than on a Palestinian one.
By which, I mean : All I see anymore is the damage done - and most Irish people are the same. We don't hear "protestant eighteen-year-old boy found crucified on a building estate with rebars through his elbows and knees", we hear "protestant eighteen-year-old boy found crucified on a building estate with rebars through his elbows and knees".

 

terrorists are civilians

 

terrorists are those that the system has ignored and oppressed for too long.

 

Sparks: what the gender difference points to is the difference between combatants, who would be almost exclusively men, and non-combatants, who would represent a much-larger ratio of women to men. I'm surprised you can't see this.

As for the stats, here you go: these are somehwat old, but I don't think much has changed, overall: http://www.israeltoday.co.il/article/Default.asp?CatID=1&ArticleID=117

I think the "root causes" argument is a crock. First of all, it does nothing to address the immediate problem, and in this case it ignores that fact that the violence isn't promulgated by desperation, but rather officially nurtured and supported from the time the children are small, and led by groups with tacit if not full state support. And people become terrorists if they believe that terrorism is their most effective tool, and if it's going to work. It should also go without saying that one can only become a terrorist if one lacks the morality that would prohibit such a choice.

 

All wars after WW2 has been less and less plagued with combattant casualties.. but rather with civilian casualties. It's almost a 99% reversal.

Before WW2 war casualties were 1% civilians and 99% soldiers
Now its 99% civilian casualties and 1% soldiers.

So sex doesn't have anything to do with modern conflict as of age or official status. War is dirty business and the 'just and valiant war' era is over. -Even if Bush doesn't seem to know it yet.

So saying that a particular conflict is illegitemate based on the fact that a sex tends to die more than another is more than irrelevant.

Prisme

 

Liars figure, but figures don't lie..... huh, AlanH?

Abdulla: You seem to forget the ratio of murdered Palestinian children to murdered Jewish children AlanH.

Need proof? Here it tis; WWW.RememberTheseChildre.Org

Notice that most of them say "shot through the head or chest by IDF snipers--some while throwing stones at Israeli Merkava tanks and APC's with 6" steel plated reactive anti missile defense mechanisms.

Real brave these Jewish "hero's" of Jenin, Ramallah and Rufah, huh AlanH?

Yeah AlanH, "This sez a lot!"

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As for that IDF story: "We murder so many civilians because the gunmen hide behind women and children."

I guess these lies helps the IDF killers justify--in their own heads--and try to convince the world that "they're not as brutal and inhumane as they appear--but in the final analysis THE TRUTH WILL SET US ALL FREE--AND ONE DAY FRY THE IDF KILLERS IN HELL!

AbdullaTheBomber....

PS: THE (ZioNazi) ATLANTIC magazine is currently running an article in this months issue "still" trying to absolve the IDF of the murder of little 12 year old Palestinian boy Mohammed Al-Dura; almost three years after their horrendous "witnessed & filmed" massacre of this innocent child...

Good reporting by the ATLANTIC?

Nope, pure Zionist CHUTZPAH! ( i. e. caca ).

 

Oddly enough, the IDF have women soldiers too.

Actually those stats are somewhat biased, in that they're prepared by the "International Policy Institute for Counter-Terrorism" - which isn't terribly international since the entire board are israeli....

More links to statistics:
http://www.dci-pal.org/statistics/indstats/aug2002.html
http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Total_Casualties.asp
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

Seems to have worked in N.Ireland.
What's the alternative? Kill 'em all and let Allah sort them out?

 

The bad guys "always" wear the black hats, remember this?

Bravo Prisme!

Abdulla: In the territories the Palestinian who defend their land, their water and even their dignity with stones and bare hands, the so-called (by the Zionist killers)TERRORISTS are the GOOD GUYS...

We all know who the guys in the BLACK HATS are, right folks? (grinning)

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Abdulla....

 

I remember, about 5 years ago, that the IDF recruted a 17 year old, (original profession: model) to help their propaganda with teenagers.

A couple of months later, I read in the canadian papers that she had her jaw shot off by a 50. caliber bullet.

If that's not irresponsable government P.R., then nothing is.

Prisme

 

Prisme: the gender gap is irrelevant only by your declaration that somehow, killing civilians is the legitimate hallmark of modern war. I say it's a moral monstrosity, and something that should never be done intentionally.

Sparks: the IDF have women soldiers, but they don't tend to send them into combat.

Your sites are interesting in that they don't even discuss the differences in terms of who was targetted and killed on either side. Since these are all websites with a point of view, I find it interesting that the allegedly Israeli one is the only one to even address the issue. Hell, the first one you posted doesn't even acknowledge *any* Israeli dead.

How did the "root causes" work in Ireland? As to killing them all, actually you only have to kill the people who want to kill you. Because it's preferable to the alternative of *letting* them kill you.

 

Prisme: yeah, we won't talk about the person who actually shot her...

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BECAUSE SHE WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO GO AT WAR WITH A GUN!

 

Oh, so it is "war," then?

 

Usually when a city is guarded by checkpoints, Armored Personnel Carriers, male civilians are violently arrested without discrimination, rights are constantly suspended, buildings are in shambles and bodies lay everywhere and that children that go to school ride in the bus with armed soldiers... I call that a war.

 

Yup, and when a people send legions of suicide bombers, snipers and other terrorists against their neighbor, they have every reason to expect the situation you describe. Of course, you only recognize half of the story, and you exaggerate it at that. But it's easier to make a case for injustice if you yank out all the context for what's going on over there.

 

Yank the context out?
Pretty much all that I have described, and not exagerated, is self-explanatory.

Palestenians rather die than to endure the oppression of the Israelites... IDF uses its technology to further crush and humiliate the Palestinians.

Face it, even Sharon, two days ago, finally used the word 'occupation' concerning the actual state of affairs with Palestine.

When you occupy a land that is not yours, expect trouble.
That's my context and it's pretty realistic.

Prisme

 

The Palestinians brought on this "oppression" themselves...they used to travel each day to work in Israel. They're directly responsible for the occupation too, for what they've done. Nothing wrong with occupation if it's justified, as it was in Germany and Japan after WW2, and as it is right now. Of course, occupation is really a rather mild way to fight a war...which is what you acknowledged is going on. In a war you crush your enemies, usually. Jews aren't apparently allowed to do that though. So they do much less than that, and take twice the criticism for it.