"How can we sleep while our beds are burning?" Yeh you evil aussie! Keep bashing the americans and remind them of what they did to the indians, have you forget about the aboriginals??? Also youR fine ladies insult hindu religion by showing their boobs on Bali beaches and than there is all this Australian drugs Traffic to Goa, YOU AUSTRALIANS ARE THE WHEEL AROUND THE AXIS OF EVIL!!!Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
---Nobody said anyone wants a war Adam. You'd make a good journalist. What half of us think is that it may be necessary. There's some difference there.--- why? u said its necessary.. plz explain...
Irony I find it ironic that the one day Adam and I choose to not fight over small issues we're accused of "mutual backscratching". There is, of course, a perspective that wonders what exactly is wrong with one attending to their neighbor; after all, primates groom each other, so it would seem that humans should, with our intellectual capacities, be able to achieve harmony once in a while. That said, it would help to note that Australia is a bit of a mystery to most Americans. While Paul Hogan and such are hardly the whole of what Americans know about Australia, it seems we're quite determined to keep that image at the forefront. Myself, I hold a woefully inadequate knowledge base concerning Australia. I have been told by international travelers, for instance, that Australia was anti-Semitic in their visa allotments--that it was harder to vacation in Australia if you were a Jew. I have been told a number of odd things about Australia that I've never seen substantiated, but in the end, the superstitious mosaic tints the American view of Australia. Thus: - Australia is a vacation spot, and that's about what it's worth to most Americans--someplace to tear up while really, really drunk. - Australia is a land of pedophiles. This, of course, is merely a quasi-myth perpetuated by American prudery. Just because I can log into Usenet and see alt.binaries.young-girl.australian doesn't really mean there's a load of pedophiles down there. Like I've noted before: What is it about the US that you have to write a special law to allow women to go topless? Is not the state in which "God delivers you to the world" decent enough for humanity? ("God finds you naked and he leaves you dying; what happens in between is up to you."--Robyn Hitchcock, "Luminous Rose") So the fact that I can go on the internet and see half-naked twelve year-old girls running around on the beach, while it is not shocking to me, seems to be shocking to many of my neighbors who presume sexuality is a necessary attachment to bodily exposure. (On that note: I had an interesting discussion about my daughter this very morning--what a way to start Commerce Day!--regarding the "meaning of Christmas" and other such ideas. The conversation, as is usual in my world, drifted across topics with an unusual amount of acrimony until it was clear to me that, as a parent, I am expected to apparently be encouraging in whatever endeavors my child chooses. Now, what is striking about that is that, at the bottom line, I consider Christianity a perverse ideology that brings harm to human beings. As such, if I am tolerant of someone trying to "contractually oblige" my child to Christ--something that does happen in this country; the King of the Hill episode about Hallowe'en is hardly a stretch--it seems to me that I should be tolerant of other perverse and harmful ideologies. Take child molesters, for instance. Perhaps my daughter would enjoy that kind of treatment. Perhaps she would enjoy the gifts and doting that come from a long-term sexually abusive situation. In history, in the US, there was a time when 10 years old was the age of consent for girls, and you could woo them with gifts--essential prostitution. Now, hardly am I going to allow my daughter to be courted by a child molester, but I see a functional similarity between Christianity and child abuse here: I am apparently supposed to be tolerant of a perverse and harmful ideology if--if, if, if ....--it is generally accepted by society. In this case, of course, the accepted perversity would be Christian faith. Relevant to our current considerations, though, is the benign aspect such a perspective tends to lend to child abuse. However, letting someone photograph a pre-teen running half-naked or naked on a beach in the US would be tantamount to consenting to child pornography. There is little or no distinction between nudity and sexuality in this country; one must necessarily be related to the other. As such, one might say that Australia is a land of evil because of the number of children being "sexually exploited". Now, how's that for a long-assed digression?) - Considering the notions of West/East ... while I know that Adam has a few issues with this most basic of rhetorical human divisions, it is a classic division that runs at least back to Weber in Western literature, and well beyond that in Islamic mysticism. However, as Adam noted (perhaps unintentionally) with his post regarding refugees, trade deals, and native relations, Australia is, by its collective behavior, very much part of the "Western" vein of cultural ideology, which is largely villanous around the world at present. As a participant in the Western ideology, Australia may well be seen as a land of evil. It's just a hard thing to wake up in the morning and realize that you're wearing the black hat. (American cowboy-movie reference.) The majority of Australian people, clearly, are good enough to not destroy themselves in an orgy of self-hatred, and to a more-evident proportion than we find in the U.S. However, "The West" has long held a perverse distinction--there is in most American minds at least, and obviously as a strong sentiment in the Western culture, a difference between killing 3,000 people by slamming 757's into the WTC and killing 30,000 people because imperialist petrol and economic policies inherently require such conditions. No, we in the US or Australia are not like those who would blow up 3,000 civilians in a fundamentalist temper-tantrum, but we are among those who would starve thousands to death around the world in quest of a higher standard of living within our own borders. Does Saddam Hussein need to be stopped? Sure, probably. But what makes it any more important now than it was ten years ago, or even before that? The Taliban? Al Qaeda? Does anyone realize that it was Donad Rumsfeld, among others, who helped recruit Islamic fundamentalists to come to Afghanistan and fend off the "evil" Communists? And this is what Australians have been signed on for. It's an old agreement, and none of a generation contemporary to my own chose to make it that way. But the land of Oz is committed, and it's an absurd commitment to arbitrary necessity. It's not my place to pity anyone, but I do feel badly for Australians on a couple of counts that (for once) have nothing to do with the British crown. I'll send you all knee-pads for Guy Fawkes Day (or some such). That way it won't hurt quite as much when y'all have to get down and suck off the American political establishment. You have my sincere apologies for our intervention in your nation's drug-addiction struggles. You have my sincere apologies for the success of the Bush coup, and my sincere apologies for our screwed-up electoral system which allowed such a coup. You have my sincere apologies for Bush's tampering with the world economic scene (there was no recession). And you certainly have my sincere apologies for the present quagmire, the neverending war. I feel fortunate to have known the United States when it had a shred of dignity and merit left. It has been my honor and my privilege to watch that merit sold away for pennies on the dollar. If it was up to me, we wouldn't have dragged you all down with us. Certainly Australians have much to answer their own consciences for, but whatever problems truly plague the Australian people, they're not all your own fault. Maybe Australia is a land of evil. Comparatively, though--who cares? Well, aside from the Australians who have to live there? But seriously--at best Australians are accessories to crimes that are dependent on processes larger than Australian political authority can afford to engage. Right now, apparently according to Rupert Murdoch's output, a slim majority of Australians oppose military action in Iraq. The peaceable world needs that majority to be very very loud in the coming months. It is perhaps the peripheral and--for want of a better term--lesser players in the international chess game who will finally rein in the U.S. and bring about a more peaceable method of sustenance and prosperity. in peace, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Tiassa The Crocodile Hunter gives a far more accurate impression of Australia. Really. Personally I think Jewish people are the only Semitic people likely to face no trouble getting into Australia now. If you're Arabic, you WILL get a thorough check, if you're allowed in at all. I do not approve of this. It's just one more straw on a camel you're well aware of. My thirteen-year-old wives disagree. But seriously, we do have a problem here with the christian priests, as does the USA and probably every other country infested by those chaps. What we also have is an entrenched circle of high level public servants who are pedophiles, judges and such, all keeping the law away from each other. Occasionally one is busted. As for public nudity, well, we have nude beaches everywhere. There's one about three minutes' drive from my place. It is not that I deny such a division, I simply think the entire world is bloody stupid to not see that the concepts involved in being "Eastern" or "Western" exist, and always have existed, in both "places". Australia was established by Britain, and since WW2 has been relying on the USA for trade and defence. Both Britain and the USA are part of what the term "Western" was coined for. So yes, we're Western. Why? Trade, and defence. The USA gives us an amazing amount of money. For this, the Australian establishment is willing to denounce those the USA dislikes, limit trade with them, restrict aid from them, go to war with them, and kill them; also willing to risk the lives of Australians in doing so. But to avoid all this would mean risking the status quo, the existence of our economy and our country. So, as I've said before, merely changing political partners won't help; what is required is a global shift in philosophy, a global improvement in education and logical reasoning, and for all the idiots out there to forget their grudges. You know the annoying bit? Restricting aid, starving thousands, imposing sanctions, it's all ignored by most as simply the running of the daily business. And the really sad bit is that to most, "higher living standard" means a DVD player and cable TV. However, to be fair, the USA did recently send an enormous load of grain to a country in Africa (I forget which), and the local government refused to allow the starving people to eat it because they have a pollicy against genetically engineered crops. You can send as much foreign aid to some places as you want, but it won't do anything if the locals are too damn stupid to make use of it. We established recently in other threads that the Americans using this BBS do NOT believe this Iraq business has anything to do with right and wrong. I believe the American view was "might makes right". http://www.lumpen.com/coup2k/
Cool down guys! One can read a couple of forums and come to the conclusion that hardly any human living in Australia (not all living there are Australians) wants war with Iraq. Or some one else can read selected press and believe that the majority want to go to war. I’m inclined to believe that it could be true that most in downunder will like the show of war, particular over there. The logic behind is that Australia is so far away that no backfire will reach them, besides most terrorists like many American a geographically illiterate and would most probably blast Austria instead of Australia. And even in a worst-case scenario that a missile is shoot against Australia, it will run out of fuel before getting there and if reaches Australian west coast, it will hit nothing. ….So, don’t worry about guys, let’s close the thread and get into something closer to home.
omg... large Hey everyone, I've read most of what's been written on this site and I'm disgusted. AUSTRALIA ISN'T ****ING EVILcoared to most other governments (cough, USA cough cough) Australia is one of the best in the world. Tell me Adam, have you ever heard of the ANZUS treaty? if we don't help the USA like we have been and get invaded, the usa might not help because we'd be in violation of the treaty. I feel very sorry for Howard because I don't believe he thinks we should go to war in his heart, and neither do any australians I know so where's all this crap about 50% of australians agreeing to go to war coming from? And another thing Adam, shouldn't you be a little more appreciative and patriotic of Australia, here we are in the best country in the world (living condition wise) and you go calling it the land of evil. WELL **** YOU PS up above where it says "coared" it's meant to be compared but I couldn't correct it without deleting more wordsPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Re: Squid Vicious Tour any university in the world and you will find they don't want was.. Then they come out into the real world.. .. and find it is a different place to their ivory towers..
the sadest thing is that to our own goverment the US ranks above even there own jobs, or they think we are so short sighted that we wont rember what happened at the next election sadly there may be a valid reason for this belife as i doubt many people rember the tamper crisis or the miss use of the DSD during it god save the queen, because no one can save stupid peoplePlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Australia is Ok as far as I'm concerned, their family, so anyone messes with the Aussie's messes with the Brits as well, you have been warned.
evil is as evil dose If Australia is evil then hand me my pitch fork pointed tail and horns. then let me in. serious dude every country makes mistakes this doesn't make them evil. we the colonies are more aggressive and independent because of what we were made up of think of it, they are the character traits of every criminal. so in this humble american's oppenion Australia ROCKS with respect Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! :m: Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Australia with its Inter-contenental ballistic marsupials and wombats of mass-destruction. Be afraid....be very afraid.
I have a feeling that Asguard's little illusions about how the Australian people feel about the US is going to be proven wrong at the next election, but it might depend on whether Howard stays in charge or not. Crean has no chance, if Labor is to have any shot at goverment at all they'd better find a better leader. No matter who you vote for, the lizards get in. Voting Labor is not a magical fairytale solution to government wrongdoing. Deal with it. Most of us quite like our friendships with the USA and the UK, Asguard. I know you and your mates feel otherwise, but rest assured some of us have better sense, and feel that the "stupid people" is you.
really? do you think ANYONE will rember that little johnny broke the law by using the DSD when it comes to the next election? forget the US brown nosing and rember THAT We are not talking about ur right wing leanings vs my left we are talking about a goverment who UNDESPUTEDLY lied to the people, broke the law, draged millatry personal into party politics to cover that lie tell me how im stupid for not forgeting?
I didn't say anything of the sort. I said the government is the government... in Australia, theres very little real difference between our major political parties. I said you think a Labor government is going to change everything, and that you're wrong.
At the end of the day, a government is always in a better position to decide on matters of security than the public at large. Governments have to act on the information that they have available. And oppositions have to oppose. I think even if labor were in power, Australia would have gone to Iraq alongside the US. === http://www.australiancurrentaffairs.net/
No no no, australia arrests them, burns their boats and sends them back to their country. If it were up to me we would have an armed force that shot at and destroyed asian fishing boats killing its occupants as soon as they entered our waters. I say we are too non-evil in that regard.
Australia Really non-evil ; high level public servants , judges and such evil !Australia Really non-evil ; high level public servants , judges and such evil ! Australia Really non-evil ; high level public servants , judges and such evil ! Australia Really non-evil ; high level public servants , judges and such evil ! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! +:m: =Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! with respect
