Trump Says: We need more Nukes

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  1. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    "I think the 80's called and want their foreign policy back."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39073303

    Ok now hear me out, the theory of MAD is that as long as everyone is sane, large nuclear weapons stockpiles would re-enforce world peace as no one would attack anyone else out of fear of being annihilated. Of course this assumes we have sane heads of states, which obviously is not a guarantee.
     
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  3. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    MAD is a decent insurance policy when the membership of that club is reasonably small but nuclear proliferation undermines its effectiveness.

    It is crazy not to look for a better policy but that does not mean we can take the risk of headlong denuclearization (even if such a policy was feasible).

    The world should know by now that we are dicing with fire and the lack of urgency in addressing the problem seems to presage some kind of a breakdown of the situation where the results threaten a breakdown of human civilization in the short to medium term.

    We have survived for the past 70 years or so since Hiroshima but that is no guarantee or comfort as to the future.

    My "solution" is greater international co operation (and that goes for global warming equally)

    If this is not forthcoming ,then we deserve what we may get.
     
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    MAD doesn't seem likely to work in the case of someone like, say, North Korea or, perhaps, ISIS...
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Other Trump quotes about nuclear weapons:

    "Where would we drop a nuclear weapon in the Middle East?" Trump: "Let me explain. . . .Somebody hits us within ISIS — you wouldn`t fight back with a nuke?"

    "I think – I think, for me, nuclear is just the power, the devastation is very important to me."
     
  8. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    @ Kittamaru
    No but a strategy has to followed collectively by all those "within the tent" .

    Quite what I am not sure but it needs to be collective I think.
     
  9. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    That is my president. My country elected him. My country is fucking nuts.
     
  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    ...or Trump. It relies on rational leaders. What happens when you don't have rational leaders?
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    But most of your countrymen rejected him. Trump only won because of the undemocratic aspects of our government and third party candidates drew enough votes away from Clinton to allow Trump to win a few key states. So, most Americans aren't that crazy.
     
  12. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    True, unfortunately there were enough crazies...
     
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    This guy is such a fucking moron, WORSE THAN BUSH EVEN! Every day I wake up and think "we live in a bad joke." This is literally an idiocracy president.

    I could have told you that! Month before the election when people were telling me trump could never be president I told them back "we had bush for 8 years" mic drop.
     
  14. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    There is little doubt Trump is a completely immoral moron and is indeed worse that George Junior. Who would have thought that even possible? Just when you think the embarrassment couldn't be greater, it becomes greater. And Trump is just beginning. This is how low the Republican Party has sunk. The Republican Party has become the party of American fascism. It threatens everything, our democracy, our freedoms, our economy, and even the future of humanity. And we need to start calling a spade a spade here and everywhere.
     
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  15. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is the radical right, the tea party right, took control, with each electoral cycle moderate semi-sane republicans get primary-ed out of their gerrymandered districts with increasingly more crazy alternatives. The Democrats might do the same if I have anything to say about it, had bernicrats taken control of the party we would not be in this nightmare. It is time to fight mean, real dirty even, just like the republicans did to obama.
     
  16. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    You can't. The constitutional right of political dissent has been so deeply eroded and the forces of repression so long and consistently empowered, that you have no place left to build the barricades.
    Assholity rules; the radical right is on the rise, triumphantly resurging, all over the world, in different uniforms but with the same motive: To shake off the bounds of civilization.

    But at least now you know to what purpose all those tax dollars (yours - he doesn't pay any) have been reallocated from public information, scientific research, education, culture and social services.
     
  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Radical right AND LEFT has been on the rise around the world:

     
  18. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    as/re:
    "Trump Says: We need more Nukes"
    Are you absolutely certain that he did not say: "We need more nudes"?
     
  19. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    What do you mean by radical left? What are its aims? Where has it succeeded?
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    tax the rich, use revenue to pay for more social polices. See Nordic Model. As for further along the radical left is socialism and communism, which has and will fail, just as the radical right will lead to fascism and fail the same.
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Socialism in itself is not radical, neither is taxing the rich to pay for governmental and public services. The Nordic countries are all mixed economies, with most of the industry and means of production in private capitalistic hands and most allocation of goods and services via market exchange. Nothing radical whatsoever in anything any Nordic country has done.
     
  22. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    They also tax the middling, lower- and upper-middling; only the very poor and old are exempt. Also, the rich get the benefit of government-provided services, defense, market regulations, frontier and water patrol, currency, infrastructure, policing, etc - arguably more than poor people do, since they have so much more to guard. They're not prevented from becoming rich; arguably, they are safer from fraud and piracy if the state regulates commerce; they get more opportunities in government contracts and insurance.
    I see nothing there but moderate and balanced regard for all the people an elected government is mandated by constitution to represent.
    ...which you said was on the rise.
    I asked where it has succeeded, in the same way that extreme social-program-slashing Republicans in the US and the xenophobic, press-muzzling right-wingers of Europe https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/world/europe/europe-far-right-political-parties-listy.html?_r=0
    or the dictatorships and theocracies of the middle and far east have been succeeding in their agendas of concentrating all wealth and power in the hands of a select group, keeping it and excluding all others by force of arms.
     
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  23. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah and? I gladly pay a tax for universal healthcare over insurance any day. Also yes the rich get benefits, but over all their populations total standard of living and upper economic mobility is better than ours, which means more of the poor and middle class is doing better then here in the USA.

    I have nothing against people being rich, so long as they have done so through there own achievements, I just think they should pay a little more, which they do in the nordic model, an as a result everyone benefits, including the rich.

    If you want modern examples of the rise of the left, look at Greece, taken over by leftist party in 2015, or what is happening in Germany now with Martin Schulz's party now polling above Merkel’s.

    From an american perspective this is indistinguishable from communism, trust me I tried arguing with people IRL about this.
     

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