I have always agreed with you on that point. So? Still confused about the history of schooling and literacy in the US, we see. The question is this: how much of your ideology and political outlook would have to change if you were forced to get your facts straight? Can this cause of yours handle the actual events of history and nature of political ideologies, or are these continual silly errors, falsehoods, and nitwit fantasies of history necessary for your libertarian viewpoint?
Well, just about everything. Once you can no longer rely on the whip, you have to be kind to people if you want them to work the fields. All sorts of good can come out of such an arrangement. Whereas, no good comes out of the former. The same can be said of a relationship. Once you can no longer beat your wives, force them to remain in the house unless you accompany them, then society advances. Sure, you may think your behaviors (wife beating) are 'for the Good of Society', and you probably have the same goals as everyone else (good education, medicine, care for the elderly, and the poor) - but the likelihood you'll achieve said goals is small, because the means you're using (violence) are not conducive towards the stated goals, Thus, we end with hyper-regulated medicine that both costs too much and is likely to kill us, graduates who cannot read and write, and drug/pain-pill epidemic, never ending wars and Police State levels of intrusion and spying. The corupt are bailed out and poor and weak are shoveled into and normalize to Slums or Welfare Ghettos. I was listening to a podcast from a woman (who runs a research institution at a medium sized university). If you want to have time with your family, she said, then don't work for me. I want you to sacrifice everything - and when you can't, then leave so I can find someone who will. Because, this is what I did and do. (paraphrased) This is one of our insane "Public Servants". Employed at a Public University. I can tell you one thing, I've met more sociopaths in the upper echelons of Public Institutions and have never met one in a Private company. They just don't progress. Sociopaths last about 12 weeks before their shallow demeanor puts enough people off that they're fired. Not so in our wonderful Public Institutions, they do quite well. (see: Police State, never ending wars, Bankster bailouts, NSA spying, and etc....). One of the virtues of Private enterprise, is they go bankrupt and leave us the hell alone - or used to anyway. I thought to myself, what was the point? I mean, the whole point in these institutions was to make life better for the next generation of people - not spending time with them, shoveling them into day supervision centers and poorly run government schools, that was not the reason people worked to make "Civilization". Those ideas have been lost in the pages of history.
Incidentally, Ron "The Racist" Paul, that LiberTurdian (lol) said he will not vote for The Trump (who he called an Insider) and endorsed Bernie Sanders (I feel kinship with Sanders). Well, as we ALL recall (back when Ron Paul was running for POTUS, you remember, when he wanted to End the Federal Reserve because the Fed holding down interest rates which would end in a property bubble where the poor would end up renting from the VERY SAME rich Bankers who lied them into Liar Loans)... but anyway, see, some Racist once somewhere said he endorsed Ron Paul, and therefor it was all about Ron The Racist. Well, well, well looks like The Racist Ron-bot, that LiberTard has endorsed Sanders. Oh, that means Sanders is a Racist of course. And part of the Patriarchy. And every and any other evil that can be conjured up in the "minds" of the functionally illiterate public. Thus, there's only one conclusion we can draw: End the White Patriarchy, vote War Harpy for POTUS Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Starvation is a very reliable whip. So you have no idea what an intelligent sociopath looks like. Here's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Blankfein Here's another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Madoff Here's a third: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Skilling Here's a fourth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joaquín_Guzmán You've quit providing names and stuff in your little fairy tales, so the usual thirty second netsearch that debunks them is no longer possible. I'll just go by the odds, and call bullshit on that as a matter of probability.
i see your lying your ass off again. sociopaths actually do quite well in private arenas. in fact they would tend to avoid public institutions. but than again you don't actually know what the world sociopath means. sociopaths aren't people you don't like micheal. quite frankly people like you (libertarians) tend toward sociopathism nuerologically speaking there isn't a whole lot of difference between a libertarian brain and a sociopath brain. actualy the list of jobs most likely to attract sociopaths are almost all private sector jobs. 7 out of 10. 2 are public police and civil servant. and 1 is kind of out side the clergy. hell there are those who suggest the banking crisis and collapse of 2007/8 was the result of the banking industry hiring those with sociopathic tendencies.
LINK Robert D. Hare reports that about 1 per cent of the general population meets the clinical criteria for psychopathy. Hare further claims that the prevalence of corporate psychopaths is higher in the business world than in the general population. Figures of around 3–4% have been cited for more senior positions in business. However, even with this small percentage, corporate psychopaths can do enormous damage when they are positioned in senior management roles. --o-- See, what happens when you get enough sociopaths/psychopaths in a corporation, it begins to fail. After enough time, if it doesn't change the corporate structure, it will go bankrupt. Which is one of the reasons WHY we need a free-market. To get rid of these horrible businesses and replace them with other businesses. This doesn't happen in Public Institutions. Many of our Public Institutions are less than a generation old - if that even. And guess what happens when sociopaths/psychopaths get in charge of Public Institutions? NOTHING. Actually, it's worse than that - much worse. Because they have no need to worry about what the f*ck the public thinks (f*ck them), sociopaths can get down to business and focus on destroying the lives of everyone around them, and then get to work on society itself. For example, suppose you had a really good teacher, next to a really bad teach/psychopath. Well, the psychopath will spend their time working the bureaucracy to get a promotion, while the good teacher will (ignorantly, set about doing a good job teaching - not realizing that they're in the cross hairs of a sociopath). Once promoted, the psychopath/sociopath will set about making their lives a living hell. And hey, why not just keep climbing, until within as little as 50 years, we have Government Schools so poorly run, directed by such evil incompetents, such that many teachers cannot even pass their own pathetic tests - and 1 in 5 graduates cannot competently read and write. Where medical doctors cannot find a liver on a god damn X-ray. And etc... It's a known fact, good teachers leave public schools and take jobs at private schools at the time. WHY not the other way around? Many times they take a pay cut to do so. This alone should give you a window past your cognitive biases as to what the real world looks like. But it doesn't. If anything you want to double down and eliminate school choice and private schools altogether. Why? Probably because of the exact same reasons North Koreans cheer and actually love and adore dear leader. They cannot think rationally, they are brainwashed, and (for whatever reasons) this is how they view the world. Which is why, when confronted with a moral argument, where it's clear Public Institutions rely on the initiation of violence against morally innocent humans - at a structure level, and that this is immoral, you whine you don't like word. Ha! Even when using definitions standardized hundreds of years ago, you continue to whine you don't like the words. Well too bad. Anyway, unlike Private Institutions, public institutions never go bankrupt - well, that is, they don't until they take down the very cities, states and countries they milk for tax money. Which is, what we're see now. ANYONE being objective would conclude, due to social-structural nature alone, public institutions should be sold off as private businesses and allowed to go bust. Which, is exactly what happens. Of course, the general functionally illiterate public can't understand. All they see is a 'free' service was sold and suddenly it goes belly up. Of course, many time these sales are nefarious - of course they are, the same psychopaths running them understand they need to deal with others just like themselves AND ALSO are more than happy to sell to others just like themselves. It's why you should never have public institutions with any once of power to begin with and always work to set up competing private industries.
Whereas, in a government, you can vote them out - you get regular opportunities to do that. But that isn't even the point; the point is that sociopaths like Lloyd Blankfein or Carly Fiorina find plenty of opportunity for success - in their terms - within modern capitalist corporations. They often rise to leadership positions, and successfully manage the behavior of the entire corporation. By "successfully" I mean they get rich and powerful. And even if - by some chance - decent human beings win these jobs, the structure of a modern corporation opposes or even prevents the kind of behavior from that corporation we expect from decent human beings. Bureaucracy is the same everywhere. It isn't peculiar to government, and absent from corporations. So why do you think that wrecking the cities, states, and countries, via the more frequent private enterprise bankruptcy method, is a better way? Far more common in private enterprise. Order of magnitude more common. There is an entire genre of writing - dozens and dozens of books, many of them best sellers - devoted to various aspects of that inherent and ubiquitous problem with corporate business organization. It's famous. For one thing, in private enterprise they actually have "promotions", where the promoted one gains power over their former co-workers - it doesn't work quite like that in teaching. Maybe if you picked a different example of government job? Almost any would do better than teaching. (You do have a knack for the exact wrong example. Try throwing dice). It's because of working conditions, and we all know that. That's famous also - the book "Up the Down Staircase", for example, was not introducing that as a new idea sixty years ago - and that's an epistolary novel (that means, written as an exchange of letters. By "letters" I don't mean the alphabet kind, I mean collections of text messages from one person, written down in sequence on paper, and shipped as a bundle to another person, who reads them all (often at one sitting) and then writes a similar collection of their own to ship back in reply). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_the_Down_Staircase . What you may be missing here is not only do we know that, we also blame guys like you and their cognitive biases for it - in the real world, that is. That's because the real world is the one with the facts in it - those little details of time and place and event that you keep screwing up are what we use to assign blame for bad stuff happening, among other things. Donald's not a progressive. He's a reactionary. Education makes a difference.
LOL Tell that to the people in Flint. They should have just voted the right people in, then they'd have water quality comparable to bottled water. Yup, it's their fault. Or the people of Detroit, Chicago (generations of Democrats), etc.. etc.. who's kids cannot read or write, at 18, after graduating. Yup, they should have "voted" for the right person. Then they'd have education of quality equal to the best private schools. Yup, it's their fault. Should have voted better. Picked the right bullshitter. They had 'regular opportunities to do that'. LOL Look, you go on and vote for whichever bullshitting politician tells you the lies you like the most (still won't know the price of my coffee cup). For now, you're free to think whatever you want to think. But, over here in the real world, nothing you do is going to affect your Regulators over at the NSA, TSA, CIA, DoED, FCC, FBI, IRS, USAF, etc... etc... etc.... they couldn't give two f*cks about you and your vote. I know, because I know quite a few of them and have years of experence working with them - in numerous countries, the worst of which being the more 'Democratic' of our Socialists. They're the absolute worse, they view you as a child that needs to be cared for - you know, because you're too stupid to take care of your self. About a quarter of the regulations you will be subjected to are written by people with OCD whom are dealing with their childhood trauma by trying to control everyone and everything around them. About a quarter are written by people who want to be your nanny - and actually view you as a moron. And about half of the regulations that will rule over you are written by rent-seekers and/or psychopaths. The real deal. I've had my blood run cold on occasion - and it's only been in Public Institutions. When you know you're standing next to a psychopath and you've just caught their attention. In business, it's mainly just bullshitters - most of whom believe their own bullshit. Public Servant psychopaths needn't worry about the 'evil free market' / society. No no no, they can get right down to business. Their business. But hey, why let reality get in the way of your Religion right? Soon you'll be let out of your stall for the day, you can pull the magic Left-Right lever for "Change You Can Believe In" (LOL) and then right back to your stall you go - keep making your Regulators / Nannies / Farmers their milk and meat. That's your role. Tax Chattel. Incidentally, the average American middle class laborer, will work approximately 20 years paying for their Regulators salaries. Twenty Years. And look at all they get in return for 2 decades of labor. LOL I've personally known public 'servants' who have blown through hundred of millions of tax chattel fiat currency - they couldn't give two flying shits about you or who you vote for. Bush, Clinton, Junior, Oblahblah - they couldn't care less. Doesn't affect them. As a matter of fact, one just retired recently, they 'cured cancer' (LOL) Seriously, there they are standing on stage in their own bullshit receiving thanks from other bullshitters for their 'service' to the community for 'curing cancer'. While this sort of shit would get you laughed at and fired from a pharmaceutical company (you know, because they actually do have to produce something of value) not for our illustrious 'public servants' they lie through their teeth, then retire on a fat 6 figure salary for life, with benefits and health the likes of which you could only dream of. But that's okay, because you get to keep your superstitious beliefs. And those are very very important to you. So, get down there and pull the magic lever and blame whomever is "Them" to you for why 1 in 5 Government School graduates cannot competently read or write. - It's not going to change the fact that 1 in 5 graduates cannot competently read or write. No one you vote for is going to change this fact. No amount of money is going to change this fact. Which you are going to see in 10 years when it's K-14 and 1 in 4 who cannot read or write, let alone perform basic math. LOL It's also not going to change that fact the "Democratic" Socialism is inherently immoral. An attractive ideology for people of likewise disposition. If you're not willing to shoot an innocent person in the face, for the good of society, you're not going to get very far in public institution. And it happens every single day.
They did. Those people were removed from governmental power, replaced by appointed representatives they did not vote for. Those appointed representatives were of an administration officially motivated by your ideology - lower taxes, less regulation, smaller government, privatization of public utilities for competition, etc etc etc. And like all such governments in real life, they made a childish, ugly, incompetent mess. It certainly would have helped. They got outvoted by the people like you who bought the low taxes and less government bs, and thereby became saddled with incompetence at the hands of people whose children benefitted (in the short and unwise term), partly because they did not vote in large enough numbers. It was partly their own fault. This is so. That's ridiculous. Why is it you can never get a simple, ordinary, physical fact of politics or history accurately stated on this forum? Seriously - if you flipped coins over whether to post an assertion or its negation you'd be right half the time. If you threw darts at a dartboard to pick the number of years the "average American middle class laborer" (you have no clue what that means) will work to pay their Regulators's salaries, you'd have a chance of hitting a reasonably accurate number. But left to your own devices, you have no chance at all.
That ideology - based on the supposition that all government is fascistic, so there is no such thing as representative government - is common. It is an important factor in suppressing voting in the US in general, a major reason why the people of Flint and Detroit and Michigan in general did not vote in large numbers for good government over the past forty years as the current situation was being set up. One way to see that the American Right is currently in the grip of a fascist movement in the US, is to notice how many of its members regard Trump and Sanders as essentially similar ideologues.
FACT: Both are Statist Authoritarians. And both are Fascists. Bernie more so as he'd prefer if all Private Pedagogy where Nationalized in his insane Socialistic Dystopia where quazi-Government run K-14 "educates' / brainwashes the unwashed masses. If Trump decided to use State violence against innocent citizens to provide 'free' Government healthcare and 'free' K-14 Government Schooling and increase the payout for 'free' Government Welfare while eliminating the University debt of all University students - well, he'd pretty much be standing on Sanders platform. Particularly given Trump isn't going to cut SSI payouts and all the other Progressive Ideals he supports (see OP). Which, in the past, he's pretty much supported all of these stances. Not that I care. I don't care. The role of the POTUS is to ensure the US Constitution is not violated. Not to promise me free shit. Thus, it really doesn't matter what the POTUS does or does not think is 'good of society'. That's not in their job description as our Public Servant. Or at least it wasn't. It could be in the job description for Dear Leader though. Some food for thought since you love the idea of voting for the person who promises to initiate the most violence against the most morally innocent citizens to solve all of these social problems you don't like. You know, like Americans wanting to buy iPhones made by Asians. Yeah, can't have that. We need to pass a law so that if Americans do buy an iPhone, they pay a tax, if they don't pay a tax, they can get shot in the head - for the Good of the Roads. I mean, someone has to pay for K-14 functional idiocracy. What Americans have to do, as Tax Chattel, is to figure out which politician is going to promise to use State violence against innocent citizens for the Good of Society. Vote. Pull the magic lever. Back to the stall. Done and Done But, here's the thing: Government will still be the largest polluter in the world, it will continue to consume the most of Earths' limited energy, and will continue to run the largest prison complex in human history, caging the largest number of morally innocent humans in history. Our Government-run K-12 will continue to produce functional illiterates at a rate of 1 in 5. And if you don't smoke, Government-Hyper-Regulated Healthcare will probably (statistically) kill you. Vote for whomever you want, it's not going to change these facts. It's also not going to remove any of the millions and millions of horribly incompetent public servants - many of whom couldn't give two flying f*cks about you or who you voted for. The bullshitter who 'cured cancer' - he's going to enjoy his retirement (which will take at least 5 of your lifetimes to pay for, but that's okay, he pretended to cure cancer and he's a public servant and that's important to you - and there's many many many more of him where he came from). The guy who blew 100s of million or so, with nothing to show for it. He'll still have his Public Servant job long after whomever is elected in the next POTUS reality show has disappointed. He's given about 20 million a year. Still nothing to show for it, but that's okay. I mean what would the Peon Plebs do with their money anyway? So, dust off those Hope and Change placards Or the Change We Can Believe In. Time for War Harpy. LOL In the real world, shit Government Unioned Government Teachers need to be fired and replaced with teachers who actually teach. That can't happen in your Bernitopia. No no no, we need to protect the worse of the worse. Well, good, do it. That's fantastic. Don't expect anyone in my family to attend our lovely Government schools. The more Unioned crap teachers protected, the better. See, this helps to ensure Charter Schools and other competing schools are allowed to rise and fall going head to head against shit traditional Government Schools (which might be decent - it all depends on the individuals). That's the nice thing about free-markets, they reward those the continue to provide value and eliminate those that, for whatever reasons, have stopped doing so. If that happens to be a Charter School - then good. It should go bust. As it is though, Government protection and monopoly has made Government Schools ripe for bankruptcy as they are force to compete - and they will be competing. Over time, most will go belly up. And thank the Gods too. See how it works? Over time we're going to eliminate almost all Public Institutions that have been created in the last 120 years. All of them will have to compete and will be out competed against private companies that free Americans will voluntarily choose to do business with. Sure, it's going to take a long time, but that's okay. Real change takes a long time. It's not something that happens because some bullshitter promised you free K-14 or to build a Big Magnificent Wall. And won't that be nice? Isn't it much better to live in a 'society' that doesn't rely on the initiation of violence against morally innocent humans? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Agreed? Good - we agree. Of course, it'll mean giving up on your Statist superstitions. But that's okay because you can always try out Scientology or maybe the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or something Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Very good point on this. It is more often true as sociopaths tend to lean toward libertarianism as well as private sector has less accountability or transparency of activities in some ways for exploitation/profit or a less check system. They also like less government for certain reasons that apply to the above.
They are both Statists, Trump is solidly authoritarian and Sanders slightly so. Trump is fascist, Sanders is socialist. Trump is reactionary, Sanders is progressive. The fact that you can't tell the difference is part of what identifies you as belonging to the guppy "libertarian" faction currently being fed their lines by the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute and similar harbors for covens of sell-souls. You know that a lot of those guys actually know better, right? That they are setting you up consciously? Maybe you don't. But even you can see the connection between voter suppression and the increase of political power accruing to capital, one hopes. The fewer voters, the more money outtalks votes. Let me take a wild guess here at the first steps on this road to a government free world: tax cuts for rich people. Especially: cuts in the effective income, inheritance, and capital gains tax rates. Sales and property taxes can wait a bit. Was I lucky?
Hardly. Without any background data to support the claim, it's a very difficult point to assess and becomes merely an opinion presented as fact. I can think of two things off the top of my head to challenge it with without even seeing it: Firstly, given that sociopaths (and psychopaths) are just as likely to remain "hidden" in genpop, one is forced to wonder whether the data only applied to known sociopaths, or whether it made a concerted effort to identify sociopaths first. If the former, you have an issue (to a greater extent than in the latter)... being that in many instances they're rather difficult to identify. You're only going to succeed in identifying those at a more extreme end of the scale and are therefore more easily identifiable. Secondly, There are many more private sector jobs than there are public sector, particularly in the USA. I'm wondering if that "list" he's referring to (which I haven't seen) is representative more of that, than it is the ratio of sociopaths to certain areas of employment. Bad data makes for bad conclusions, and a poor scientific method compounds the problem. If you're going to say "very good point" when you really mean "I (want to) agree with you", then in terms of any assessment of your capability to rational argument, I'm going to come down on the negative. Oh, and please make more of an effort to identify who it is you're actually quoting. It makes a difference, you know, in determining how long I'm going to waste on it.
Well thanks for reminding the sky is blue and other facts you assume are not known to another. Um, of course, there are exceptions and the extreme ends of any scale are more obvious. And of course, there are more private sector jobs, so not everyone in private sector are sociopaths just as there are sociopaths in public sector. Of course, some are more open verbally (libertarianism being one) whereas others hide behind a political or even ethical facade. But even with all this, the point was still valid. If you cant or wont see that, thats your problem. I was just pointing out it was a very good observation as its often related. Even if not openly confessed or self-identified to others (libertarian values), then practiced in actions or support/sympathize those who do. You know, how some things are more prevalent, are more attractive to some parties or often go together like peanut butter and jam? Duh?
So really, was questioned on how you actually know that, your response basically consists of "because they do - everyone knows that".
Actually the majority of felons tends to be Democrats. A new study of how criminals vote found that most convicts register Democratic, a key reason in why liberal lawmakers and governors are eager for them to get back into the voting booth after their release. “Democrats would benefit from additional ex-felon participation,” said the authoritative study in The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science. The authors, professors from the University of Pennsylvania and Stanford University, found that in some states, felons register Democratic by more than six-to-one. In New York, for example, 61.5 percent of convicts are Democrats, just 9 percent Republican. They also cited a study that found 73 percent of convicts who turn out for presidential elections would vote Democrat. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/jail-survey-nearly-34-felons-register-as-democrats/article/2541412
'Libertarian' in their views, values and practice. Many people vote a certain way that is either neutral or they percieve as most beneficial to them or certain aspects of a political party. Sometimes its also just ignorance or going with popular opinion. For instance, i know someone who really has way more in common with republican views and practice but votes democrat. Im talking about what people actually do and think, not labels or what they profess to be. So in reality and is a common relation sociopaths do have more in common with libertarian views and ideals. You find this out when you get to know them, what and how they operate and their real views.
