2016 Republican Presidential Clown Car Begins!

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    Grasping at Straws

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    Here's an interesting question: Can a pretense of moderation actually work in this GOP presidential contest?

    New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said Thursday that Republican primary voters in New Hampshire “should be concerned” about presidential rival Marco Rubio’s position on abortion, suggesting he is out of step with the state’s GOP electorate ....

    .... Christie argued Thursday that Rubio, a U.S. senator from Florida, supports banning all abortions, including in cases of “rape, incest or life of the mother.” Appearing on NBC, he added, “I think that’s the kind of position that New Hampshire voters would really be concerned about.”


    (Beaumont↱)

    But here's the thing: What Christie is picking out is the difference between whether a woman must be dying or merely raped before society will grant her the right to govern her own body in her best interest. While this pretense does actually reflect what traditionally passes for moderation in the conservative discourse, one might reasonably wonder if it has any effect. After all, if Rubio, who seems to be getting away with taking victory laps for a third-place finish, has a bad day in New Hampshire for some reason, is it really going to be his abortion policy that brings him down?

    Still, though, it's an interesting ploy. Chris Christie is grasping at straws.
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    Beaumont, Thomas. "Christie: Rubio as out of place in New Hampshire on abortion". The Big Story. 4 February 2016. BigStory.AP.org. 5 February 2016. http://apne.ws/1L1Vcj4
     
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    The real Marco Rubio...

    Marco Roboto:





    The man is about as fake and spineless as it gets. This is more than just an occasional goof. Rubio got caught mindlessly repeating his attacks on Obama and not answering the questions posed to him during the debate.

    I guess Rubio hasn't heard, Obama is term limited. Obama cannot and will not be running for POTUS, but hey, a little more mindless red meat never hurts Republicans.
     
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    Canadian Ted's ability to become POTUS is now being legally challenged in the courts. Thus far, two law suits have been filed, and Trump is threatening another.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...orters-file-federal-lawsuit-challenging-cruzs

    And then there is the little matter of Canadian Ted and the porn star - kind of racy for a Christian God and his authorized representative on Earth (i.e. Canadian Ted).
     
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    Has Trump ever proved he wasn't born the child of a non-American orangutan, as Stephen Colbert challenged him to do?
     
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    There is another interesting thing afoot here, there are ongoing law suits challenging Cruz's right to become POTUS based on his Canadian birth and in all likelihood Trump will become a party to those lawsuits. Those law suits will wind up before the Supreme Court. If Republicans do what they say they will do and refuse to approve Obama's Supreme Court appointee, the Supreme Court could very easily become deadlocked on the issue. That means the lower courts would decide the issue.

    Additionally, the gloves are coming off in South Carolina. Trump has accused Cruz of lying and calling upon the Republican National Committee (RNC) to act...to admonish Cruz. And asserting the RNC will have abrogated its commitment to Trump if it doesn't.
     
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    Dirty Tricks Canadian Ted, things are getting worse for the Canadian wannabe POTUS. Dirty tricks are nothing new for the Republican Party. Republicans have and continue to use them against Democrats (e.g. the Swift Boating of Kerry). Apparently, no one told Canadian Ted he couldn't use dirty tricks against fellow Republicans. Thus the poor lad has fallen victim to his campaign of dirty tricks.


    http://www.businessinsider.com/seth-meyers-called-out-ted-cruz-for-his-campaigns-dirty-tricks-2016-2
     
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    Toontown Massacre: Image by PixelKitties, via Twitter, 25 February 2016
     
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    How quickly we forget Sara Palin.
     
  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    I liked the part when Trump when after Mitt Romney's bowel control.
     
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    It's pretty damn crazy.

    I hear Republican insiders are about to launch a huge anti-Trump campaign. But frankly, at this stage, I think it matters little. The Republican base is angry. And Trump will write this off as just another attack by Republican insiders (i.e. establishment). No matter who Republicans nominate, Republicans will be disappointed. The goods Republicans want will not deliver the results they want no matter who is POTUS. Trump is obviously the best salesman, but I doubt he is stupid enough to implement Republican ideology should he ever become POTUS. I think his narcissism would keep stupidity at bay should he ever become POTUS.

    I think there is a very real possibility the Republican Party self-destructs this year.
     
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    It seems they already have. Lindsey Graham basically said the last person he would ever vote for would be Cruz, but then with the psycho Trump winning, he is now saying, "OK, Cruz is the second to last person he would vote for". Quite the ringing endorsement of Cruz.

    If by chance the Republican war machine is able derail the ego-maniac Trump, I think with his early successes that it is a foregone conclusion that he would run on a 3rd party ticket.
     
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    I think you are correct. The Republican Party is imploding under its own weight.
     
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    Cruz now has "a plan" to keep Trump from being nominated. The problem with that is . . . Cruz and Rubio are no better. Weirdo Carson is worse.
     
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    These celebrity supporters of Trump really make me want to see Donald Drumpf win the presidency . . . NOT!

    Ann Coulter, Mike Tyson, Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan (and other stupid-ass faux wrestlers), Charlie Sheen, Gary Busey, Sarah Palin, Duck Dynasty freakos, Ted Nugent
     
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    It will be interesting to watch the major players in the GOP flip-flop and start kissing the ass of Donald Drumpf. Christie already executed a complete 180.

    I think that Bernie Sanders has the most integrity of all candidates - - not a lot, but most. He is not electable though. Too weak, frail, and making too many promises that he can't possibly keep. All the rest are bought-and-paid-for liars.
     
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    This is the part I don't quite get: That almost seems like Trump's point.

    Remember that whole phantom candidate notion? I don't get how that would be working if it's about Hillary Clinton. But that's the thing, if he was just screwing with the GOP, this shouldn't be working. And Donald Trump is destroying people. I mean, how out of hand does it have to get that I'm actually cringing in sympathy for Chris Christie↱?

    So it's not really the phantom candidate thesis; but here is a guy rich enough to not care about anyone or anything absolutely thrashing the political party that has been traditionally friendly to the business community. It's like he's punishing them for something.

    So what do we have, then? The rise of the American supervillain? Or can we be a bit more realistic?

    Did this black president thing just piss him off, and the GOP's inability to absolutely wreck Barack Obama thus warrants Trump's vengeance?

    Are these just appearances because a rich freaking brat is pitching a tantrum at the end of the American psychomoral era by which his entire ambition is framed?

    Maybe he's just, you know, a megalomaniacal rich celebrity looking to take his enterprise to the proverbial next level through some exploitation of personality cult?

    But he's absolutely stomping the Republican Party into the dust.

    I'm not even trying to delve into the daddy issues at this point.

    No, seriously. But watch for that story, coming soon. Because that's the other thing: Maybe Trump wants to be the next Father Coughglin, which isn't quite right, but might actually make more sense than anything else.

    This isn't just politics. This is personal and vicious.
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    Kozlowska, Hanna. "The unbearable agony of Chris Christie at Donald Trump’s victorious press conference". Quartz. 1 March 2016. QZ.com. 2 March 2016. http://bit.ly/1L6d0Ps
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    When they nominated Reagan they gutted themselves - no heart, no soul. Hara kiri, but for money and power rather than honor. The attrition of capability in the upper reaches of the Party followed - because strange as it may seem, one cannot govern a country without a heart or a soul. The job requires them. And one of the hallmarks of capability is avoiding impossibilities.

    So it was that sixteen years ago the Republican Party discovered itself bereft of honest and competent and uncorrupted candidates for the Presidency. The current batch is no worse than any of the last four, in other words - one of whom was elected President. Twice.

    No. Seriously - this is the tragedy here, not anything to do with Trump.

    Sanders is not making any promises he can't keep. That is a part of the "both sides" meme by which the Republicans (and Clintons) squid-ink their policies and agenda.

    What Sanders is doing - and to a lesser extent Clinton - is describing policy and agenda and motivation and so forth. Describing one's goals is not promising to achieve them.

    One elects an agenda and a set of allies, not a guarantee of accomplishment.

    And Clinton is, if anything, weaker than Sanders in her agenda and her allies. She has no solid allies on the side of the good and worthwhile, on matters of principle; meanwhile, She's going to fight all her battles over comparatively trivial issues involving preconceded territory.
     
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