Proof of Heaven

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  1. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    I probably should have mentioned that I smelled the foul stench of demons around me and I defeated them with fearless acts of ninjitsu. While in the dark. So there's dark in the absence of evil and dark in the presence of evil.
     
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  3. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    It would be nice if someone had proof of God and Heaven. Oh wait! There already is! Look up CTMU.
     
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  5. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Stars are build they collapse they get combined and the cycle go on and on . That is what the astronomer tell us based on the available equipment . Beside literature tells us that our telescope have limitation on how far can we see. So tell me , how far can you push , then project me your information as true evidence.?
    As my belief in God . I have examined more then once and twice . and I have questioned my self. Man does not have any knowledge on how life started. but I am here and we in chemistry don't know how to make life, except to continue what was made and observe changes taking place.
    My spiritual experience I am not going to share with nonbelievers because they won't believe
     
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  7. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Are you joking?
     
  8. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Just because we do not know everthing that does not mean that we know nothing.
     
  9. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    That is not proof or even evidence.
     
  10. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Let's assume for the sake of argument that you did have an unusual experience. What convinces you that the experience had anything to do with God, heaven and Christ? (Could you recognize any of those things if you saw them?) Isn't it more likely that the experience was caused by psychiatric problems? Many people report hearing voices in their walls, but that doesn't mean that there are spirits in their walls speaking to them. In other words, why should any of the rest of us believe that what you experienced was objective rather than subjective?

    Then presumably your hallucinations and delusions exist in the objective world and will be perceivable by other people. So go to the University of Toronto's physics building and dim the ambient lighting with your mind, the way you say you can. Go to their religious studies department and make God appear at your command or conjure up a demon. You already know that you can't do that, don't you? Your weirder experiences just happen to you privately when you are alone, where you can convince yourself that things have happened that really haven't, right?

    In other words you imagine things.

    And then convince yourself that whatever you imagine is more real than the world around you that everyone else experiences in common.

    You haven't provided any argument so far. You just relate fantastical experiences unique and private to you and then jump to equally fantastical conclusions about the nature of what you experienced and what you think the experiences's meaning was. None of it has any logical continuity. You never begin with premises everyone can accept and then argue plausibly and persuasively for your conclusions. Your thought-process looks more like free-association to me.
     
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  11. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    I honestly don't think he is.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    It isn't enough to question yourself. You have to be able to demonstrate to others that your conclusions are valid.
     
  13. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Because you can read what I wrote.

    I already see evidence for God all over the place. I don't need to test God because I fear God. I wouldn't even lift a finger to prove myself to anyone else. I no longer live in the Classical world btw Yazata. I'm well into the Quantum existence. And it's wonderful. No longer do I have to delude myself and make assumptions about what's going to happen next. Within the Quantum world, nothing is random. It's Entanglement, superposition, instantaneous communication between minds except blown up to what appears as a Classical overlay.

    No. It was objective empirical. Recall that I wrote "right before my eyes" in the OP. I did not say "right within my imagination".

    If this is supposed to be a pick up line it falls short of supporting evidence.

    You can bet I will provide stronger support for my arguments in the next few weeks.

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  14. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Correct.
     
  15. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    If you seriously think that you are fighting with physical demons, you should discuss this with a health professional if you are not already under the care of one.
    Good luck.
     
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  16. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    The supporting evidence are your posts.
     
  17. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Fundies say the darndest things.
     
  18. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    They sure do.

    *rubs hand under nose and sniffs*
     
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  19. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    This ninjitsu thingy in the dark, has it anything to do with you having sock puppets on these forums?
    Do you see the forum's science sections as " the dark"? Who are these demons?
    Hong Kong Phooey
     
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  20. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Are you suggesting that I should just accept you as my spiritual/philosophical authority and believe everything you say?

    If you ever hope to convince the rest of the world that you experienced something real and aren't just experiencing hallucinations, you need to be able to provide people with some convincing reason to think that what you experienced wasn't just confined to your own personal experience. Why not just show other people the things you believe that you see?

    It's isn't about testing God. It's about testing you. It's about whether your experiences are experiences of something real or whether they are just your own personal imagination, hallucinations and delusions.

    Yet you write as if you somehow possess all the secrets of the universe and expect the rest of us to accept whatever you say as authoritative. You certainly seem to care about what other people think or else you wouldn't have been preaching incessantly on Sciforums for ten years.

    Why is it than whenever the word "quantum" slips into conversation, the probability skyrockets that whatever people are saying is utter bullshit?

    You essentially said it yourself.

    So you have convinced yourself that your subjective imagination, the things that only you experience, is a manifestation of the fundamentally real "quantum world", the "world of Mind", while the annoying objective world that other people experience along with you is merely the lesser and ultimately illusory "classical" world?

    I fear that identifying physics' classical/quantum distinction with psychology's objective/subjective distinction is intellectually unjustifiable and could too easily serve as a license for believing in the truth of anything and as a rationalization for the symptoms of psychiatric illness.
     
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  22. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    It's love, faith, and the wish to be singularity. You can but your not perfect. If God were Love how would Know and Faith be.
     
  23. ajanta Registered Senior Member

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    I think there are many kind of problem to proof something. As like

    1) May be you can't proof the Theory of relativity to ant.

    2) I can't proof God, heaven, spirits, Ghosts. Because I have not enough knowledge about it.
     
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