Place the following three in their order of importance to you. Peace Freedom Justice For me personally, freedom, justice, and then peace. Without the first two, the third cannot exist.
Well , No Justice No Peace , making Justice a premis for Peace . This would mean that Justice comes first by definition . But on the other hand , peace is the only thing that can be seen as reality . It is a state of being , while Justice is a state of mind and so is freedom . Ive let go of the Illusion of freedom long ago , so i wouldnt even include it . But , a state of mind decides the state of being , allthough the state of mind is illusionairy . Only Illusion can create reality . 1)Justice 2)Peace It should be just peace thoug . Hey Jerrek , although im a dumb illusions believer , u seem to find both states of minds more important than the state of being . Interesting how freedom is number one with you
although i do agree , except for the freedom part on for the illusionairy in general reason , i must ask you weither the third is the purpose of the first 2 . If so , how can the purpose be less important than the premis achieving the purpose ?
Freedom is one of the most important things for me. The only thing more important that I can think of at this point is friendship. "I'd rather be chained to a friend in a dungeon than in the garden with strangers."
You're making an assumption that peace is the goal. That isn't necessarily the goal. I'd rather be in a constant state of war, but FREE, than in a constant state of peace in a prison.
THUS : All I cared to know was : I agree with you (limited as i explained before) For me same thing only i wouldnt consider ur situation not FREE , but not JUST . Id say its because you think of freedom in physical terms , if you can get passed that u'll only bound to discover there is no such thing as freedom .
Oh and making another assumption right now , id say the fact u placed this thread in "politics" rather than in "philosophy" , tells alot of ur idea about those terms , and confirms the reason u find freedom so important . But that one was full of assumptions , false by definition since affirmation would never be made by u on this matter , im sure (assuming again).
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We need to feel secure and unstifled. It's a question of minimization. Order or "peace" cannot ever be at 100% due to human nature. Mental illness and emotionally retarded freaks will be violent... and from a certain perspective it's valid to say that humans are inherently quite violent. All you can do to attain "peace" is create a set of rules that minmize violence. Freedom is just a fundamental idea that seems good to people, though it is not absolute either, you are fundamenatly only as free as your physical limitations.. and you develop inhibitions which limit your behavior, some of these inhibitions are due to the laws we put in place. We make the laws to make the justice. The justice gives us a sense of security such that we might enjoy our "peace" and "freedom". Eh... peace and justice give us security... freedom lets us "pursue happiness (our personal goals)". Putting them in order only really means "which one do you think is hardest to maximize?" since really they're pretty well integrated. EDIT: (Oh, and I said freedom, justice, peace... but like I said I think they're integrated)
Freedom Peace Justice In the history people won their freedom first then made peace with the enemy country and later wrote their constitutions. You cant have first justice then peace and at the end freedom Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Freedom, peace, justice. In the birth of the US the people won their freedom, then made the peace with Britain and internal peace, then set about establishing justice. Looking at Iraq, the peoples' freedom will first have to be won, then we will have to win the hearts and minds of the citizens to establish peace, then the country should go about administering and establishing its own justice system.
freedom, peace, jusice. explaining my answer. " I'd rather be in a constant state of war, but FREE, than in a constant state of peace in a prison. " id rather be at war anyway.. lo1. sry. some1 mentioned mentaly retarded freaks will always be violant. and yes we will be. but this gives us a distinkt vision of what those things are. i dont care about geting hurt. im a sado-masocist. hurting ppls fine. geting hurt is fine. therfore 'peace' does not mean being safe from pain. and i like fighting. yah.. im a sycho. lol. so it also does not mean (to me anyway) staying away from conflict. to me peace is somthing esentialy only touchable thru death. life is too chaotic to find true peace here. not that i dont like chaos. chaos is okay to as long as it means freedom. as for justice, id rather see a guilty man go free (thus obscurinbg justice' than have every1 locked up. i would rather every criminal on earth be let out than have every man, good and bad, be under lock and key. im an anarchist at hart. infact i would rather see every crminal let loose anyway. wouldnt that be so fun!? lol. also there are many kinds of freedom. the freedom to speech. the freedom to be happy. the freedom to have pain. the freedom grow.
Justice Peace Freedom Freedom is fine and dandy, but if it goes, chaos will soon reign. Justice and discipline prevents this and protects the people, bringing peace.
I don't want any of those things but freedom. The way it is supposed to be. Do the animals have peace or justice? I'm afraid the world doesn't work with those things. Freedom is all we need, our instincts will take care of the rest.
i agree with jerrek. freedom, justice, peace. even if i had to choose between freedom and justice with peace, i would choose freedom.
Freedom limits justice and hence peace. Justice clips freedom and hence peace. Peace is a state of contentment. If i don't have the other two in proper mix then peace will elude. let me go for absolute justice, limited freedom and whatever peace i could get from them.
justice, peace, freedom, its a natural progression like notes in music until the notes go to far and they lose their "unity" i.e. even reason which these concepts are based on loses its form at a point, hence Kant's critiques of pure and practical reason. Each one forms a base for the other, and this is the same in the mind and in society. This is the truth. by the way, very cool post Jerrek!
Depends on definitions True peace brings justice and freedom. Functional peace, however, does not carry the same guarantee. If one seeks true peace, then true peace is the important thing, and all else comes from that. If one merely seeks a temporary stop to overt fighting, one must award a certain amount of freedom and justice before peace can begin. :m:, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
