Immigration Crisis or an Economic Opportunity?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Michael, Oct 6, 2015.

  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    As I have repeatedly said, you are dodging the issues here Michael and being very dishonest. That isn't surprising, it's what you always do. You don't remember writing, "The US Government is now the largest State in the history of humanity."? That's the issue Michael. I asked you by what measure is the US the largest state in the history of humanity. You now appear to be contradicting yourself....oops. So now you admit the US isn't the largest state in the history of humanity. As you point out, China has a billion more people. So contrary to your previous assertion, the US is not the largest state in the history of humanity.

    Well, that just isn't true. Your so called "statists" are people who believe in rational thought. They are not wedded to ideology as you are. Your so called "statists" are folks who appreciate evidence and reason. Unfortunately, the word "statist" has become a derogatory word used by right wingers to avoid reality and dealing with rational thought and evidence.

    Yes, the US does imprison larger numbers as a percent of its population. But that doesn't mean the US imprisons people for being unable to pay their debts as you have alleged. You were asked to name ONE debtor prison in the US, you can't. That's why all the obfuscation on your part. Because contrary to your assertions, people are not imprisoned for debt in the US and the US doesn't have debtor prisons.

    As has been endlessly explained to you the reason the US imprisons a higher percentage of its population is because drug sentences are long in the US. Longer sentences equates to more people in prisons. It really shouldn't be that difficult to understand if you had a free mind, a mind which was capable of rational and honest thought.

    That's just more of your usual demagoguery Michael. One state out of 50 licenses florists. US regulations are not as onerous or as invasive as you make them out to be. There are no doubt stupid laws, stupid regulations and stupid enforcers. But that doesn't mean regulations are bad as you assert. It just means they are not perfect. Having built commercial buildings in a number of locations, I have some first had experience with stupid regulations and enforcers. But that doesn't mean regulation is bad, unneeded and wasteful as you believe. The reason we have many regulations is because not having them caused problems.
     
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  3. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The US Government imprisons more humans than any other State in human history - including China, even thought China has 1 billion more people.

    Oh, and some of the people in prison are there because they didn't pay their debts.

    As for the US Government being the largest most powerful institution in human kind, what exact measure do you need to make this clear to you Joe? It seems self evident to most people that at this time in history, the US Government literally dwarfs all but a few other State Governments.

    It certainly dwarfs any private institution in the USA with the exception of the Fascistic Central Reserve Bank of New York which has gained it's fiat currency monopoly through State violence.

    What I find interesting is how the same institution that imprisons the most humans in all of history (many for non-violent life style choices), that is also the largest polluter in human history, that also wastes the most limited resources, cannot manage to teach children to read and write within a decade, and invades other countries over made-up phony evidence only to murder millions of women and children HAS the support of millions of little Statists like yourself. Not only that, but you Statists point the blame at "Evil" corporations like Koch Industries or Apple Inc or Toyota as the problem in society - as if these could even hold a candle to the size and scope of the pure Evil perpetrated by the US Government. Not only that, THEY ONLY stay in business providing goods and services, whereas the State just threatens to murder you if you don't pay it.

    Which is WHY it was LIMITED by the US Constitution. Well, you needn't worry about that any longer. Hell, now you have to ask it permission to sell arranged flowers, cooked chicken, fix a PC and permission to marry. How nice, the State has returned to it's historical role of Master, and the Citizens to being Tax Chattel.

    Um, no. Most Americans could not even tell you what reason OR logic mean let alone use such tools competently. Thanks to Government Schooling, most Americans read at a 6 - 7th grade level and what little 'thinking' occurs in their brain is purely driven by emotion.

    Which is why demagogues like Trump, Sanders and Hillary do so well at the polls.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    OK, so you are abandoning your assertion, "The US Government is now the largest State in the history of humanity.". That's an admission your assertion was false. Now for your latest assertion that the US imprisons more people than any other state, let's see some proofs. My guess is like everything else, you have none.

    No one other than the Chinese state knows how many people they imprison. So you cannot possibly know how if the US imprisons more people than any other country in human history. Based on estimates, the US and China imprison similar numbers of individuals. That's the best you can honestly say Michael. But none of that is relevant to the original issue under discussion....remember your assertion about debtor prisons? You claim they exist today in the US. You have been repeatedly challenged to name just one debtor prison you claim exists today in the US and you have repeatedly failed to answer that question. Because debtor prisons no longer exist in the US.

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...son-population-big-russia-china-and-north-ko/

    Then prove it. As I wrote previously, some people are in jail because they failed to obey a court order. They failed to pay a court ordered fine or court ordered child support. They aren't jailed because they didn't pay their debts.

    That isn't the question you were asked. I suggest you go back and reread the previous posts. Now you are introducing "powerful". Yeah, the US is undoubtedly the most powerful country in the world, militarily, economically, and politically. But what does that have to do with your assertions? You are moving the goalpost. I have already pointed out, China has more employees that the US. So if you measure of "big" as measured by bodies, per your original post, then Chinese government is bigger than the US government.

    The US government is certainly the single largest employer in the US it is also the most powerful entity inside the US. That kind of goes along with being a government gig and being a sovereign state. You could say the same of the UK or France or most any other country on the planet. It goes along with being a sovereign state.

    That is demagoguery pure and simple Michael.

    PS. I don't think corporations are evil. I have never even hinted as much. I am a capitalist Michael. I have a significant financial interest in Apple and many other companies. Corporations aren't innately evil nor are governments innately evil. The problem with your black and white views of the world is it just isn't consistent with reality, hence you need for constant demagoguery.
     
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  7. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Sweden: Anti-immigrant Sweden Democrats now the biggest party, according to poll
    And there you go, right on cue, a neo-Nazi Party is now the biggest party in Sweden. *GASP* who in the whole wide would would have ever guessed that Progressive Democratic "Socialism" / Fascism would lead to such a thing? *cough* National / Democratic Socialist German Workers' Party *COUGH*
    Welcome to the end result of engaging in immorality. As they say: Dance with the devil the devil don’t change, the devil changes you. There is a reason WHY the entire US Constitution was written to LIMIT government and protect us FROM government, not from the rich, not from cheaply made iPhones, but from the Government. There's a reason why the US Government now imprisons the largest number of non-violent humans in history, many morally innocent of any wrong doing at all. And it starts with Progressive Magic thinking. Where some idiot tries to convince you that letting in millions and millions of people is going to be 'good for the economy' because GEEEE look at all the JERBS that are created! Never mind all the real world resources (many at a huge cost to the environment) that must be LOST providing those jobs. Never mind that Germans themselves will have to LOWER their standard of living. No no no... JERBS.

    MOAR JERBS.... that's what matters.


    Note: This is the same magic thinking bullshit Sanders peddles when he craps on about how much better things will be once you're not allowed to buy cheaply made high quality electronics from Asia. You know, like the $1800 Playstation 4 in Brazil - those lucky lucky f*ckers.... Yes, Brazilians lives are oh so much better than if they had the ability to buy a PS4 for $350. You know, because JERBS. Jerbs is good. Maybe Bernie can make a bunch of Jerbs digging holes and filling them in while he's at it.
     
  8. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Except you have your facts screwed up again.
     
  9. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The Guardian: Germany to push for compulsory EU quotas to tackle refugee crisis
    Welcome to Democratic Socialism.

    Yes, isn't Scandinavian Democratic Socialism Vunderful? Well, to be fair, this was going to happen one way or another. At some point Europeans were going to run out of other people's money to spend and so they'd need more people. Sadly, most of these people won't be producing the goods and services required to maintain a high tech and industrialized country like Germany. So it simply won't continue as it has. Instead (IMO) Germany and Sweden et.al. will change so that they'll begin to look more and more like a combination of multicultural USA and the middle east.

    Social programs will, of course, be routed - so you better get yours while you can, because in the end, they'll have to be cut. More money will be diverted AWAY from "Free" primary healthcare and "Free" education to instead pay for an increased Police presence and larger government doing all the redistribution 'For the Good of Society" like maintaining Generational Welfare Ghettos, etc..... Thus, EU Citizens will just have to get used to living with low level fear, being spied on by the State, and double locking their doors at night (bared windows for those in the city). At least Germans in the Eastern side of Germany have some experience with living in a Police State. So, they'll probably normalize quick enough.

    And just like that: United States of Europe.

    Yay!

    U.S.E.
    U.S.E
    U.S.E

    -o-

    In many ways we all owe Europeans a great debt of gratitude. I've heard increasing calls by some in Japan to open up the flood gates (regardless of if the Japanese citizenry likes it or not - which they don't). So, with Europe leading by example, it will become quite clear that not all Jerbs are created equal. Digging ditches and filling them in again, is NOT the path to prosperity. Building houses for other people to live in, growing food for other people to eat, etc... reduces YOUR standard of living. Even now, Sweden is borrowing money (which will be re-paid through the lost prosperity of future Swedes going with less) to pay for refugee housing - even though Swedes themselves are suffering through a Housing Bubble created by ECB policies and cannot afford homes!?

    This IS the inevitability of "Free" and "Moar". Aka: Progressive Democratic Socialism. Joe was right, Germany NEEDS moar children. MOAR. Progressive Socialism cannot function inside the bounds of Real World Limits. No, in the minds of Progressives it's all about 'redistribution' and Magic Thinking.


    Oh well, if anything, this should be interesting to watch play out in the minds of Progressive Socialists. They're in for a treat. No more "Scandinavian Miracle" to blabber on about. Instead the EU will mirror each and every aspect of multicultural USA. From the violent cities to the generational routing of various welfare programs. All of it. It's baked in the cake.

    Let's hope Progressives do the right thing and blame themselves for once. Fat chance of that happening. My next prediction: Expect Immigrant Scapegoating soon to follow. By the VERY SAME Statists that CAUSED this problem in the first place. You can be as sure as night follows day.
     
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  10. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    The Flow

    The map below shows the flow of asylum seekers to European countries over time. Each moving point on the map represents 25 people. That corresponds to approximately one busload with every other seat taken.
     
  11. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    And, just as predicted.

    BBC
    : Sweden far-right party makes gains from migrant crisis

    "We haven't heard rhetoric like this in Europe since the 1930s. It really worries me," Morgan Johansson, Sweden's baby-faced immigration minister, told me as we discussed growing support amongst his countrymen and women for the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats Party. It has roots in the neo-Nazi movement. The Sweden [Social] Democrats are used to being front-page news - recently they've been blamed for provoking arson attacks on a number of asylum centres - but they are not yet accustomed to being Sweden's third largest political movement. Their new-found popularity is directly linked to Europe's refugee crisis.

    There are more asylum seekers per capita in this tiny country of under 10 million than in any other European nation. Dazed refugees landing on Europe's Mediterranean shores prefer to trek determinedly north. Germany and Sweden, they believe, will provide shelter, jobs and generous benefits. Sweden's reputation for welcoming refugees and political asylum seekers is decades old. But the current mass arrival of asylum seekers is forcing Sweden to face uncomfortable questions about the kind of society it wants - and can afford - to be.


    --oOo--
    Whaaaaat?!
    Didn't they get Joe's memo? I'm sure he faxed it.

    This is an economic boom.
    BOOOOM
    See, in Magic Thought land, there's always an endless supply of everything and the only problem is we just need more "tax money" and more Jerbs. Yup, see the problem isn't limits on the supplies of items and good (often due to government regulation). No no no.... you just need more money. Because if you had more money, you could walk down the street and buy everything and anything. Wouldn't that be fantastic? Yes, it would. In Magic Land everyone get's more money and everyone gets to buy everything they want. And with a million more people to house and feed, there's more jobs and because there's more jobs, there more of everything else too. Just like this *POOF*. Magic.
     
  12. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Well there you go Joe. The elderly going without warm food and fuel rations to their care-homes. Oh, and lucky lucky Sweden is taking on much more Fiat debt to pay for all 'free' services needed to buy in the goods and services they themselves cannot make enough of - you know, to shelter the influx of a 100,000 of immigrants because that's good for the 'economy' (whatever that is).
    What?! Aren't they taxing their top 1% enough? I mean, maybe a 70-80% tax rate is just too low?
    Lucky them, with a massive influx of hundreds of thousands of new dependents on the "State" - their economy is set to boom and generate all that GDP 'growth'. Think of the JERBS.
    All them there JERBS!!!
    Free Jerbs!
    Now, one does wonder how such a Progressive Socialist Paradise like Sweden could be short on children (much like Germany, France, Italy and Japan). Geee, it's as if Tax Chattel are working around the clock trying pay for all the "Free" the State provides (and to make ends meet) and are unable to afford to raise a family any longer. I personally know plenty of Japanese who'd like to have a family, but due to this thing called personal-responsibility and social standing, aren't going to. No, instead they're going to work 80 hours a week paying for the retirements of their parents and grandparents. Your generation. You know, the one that retired at 45 like my father on $5000 a month. Because: "I deserve", "I worked hard", "I paid in", me me me me me.... bla bla bla blah....


    Welcome To: The Baby's the new reality TV Show (that no one under 45 watches or cares about)
    LOL

    Hey, I was thinking, maybe Sweden can elect B. Sanders. He'll tax those greed Jews*, errrr... I mean: Greedy 1%.

    * yeah, that's sarcasm, I know Sanders is Jewish.
     
  13. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    In IKEA Beheading News: Two asylum seekers are arrested for [beheading] a Swedish mother and her son while shopping IKEA
    The woman was beheaded. Her son was probably beheaded.

    But that's okay, because think of the Economic BOOM Sweden gets to enjoy taking care of 100,000 illegal immigrants. On a side note, I read gun sales are rocketing in Europe. As in, many suppliers are running out. Now why on Earth would THAT happen? Geeee, just like in 'multicultural' USSA*. Now, let's see how well Progressive Socialism does in multicultural Europe. Now, government-monopoly, like all monopolies, is extremely inefficient - eventually bloating and dying as it takes all of society down with it. But, being a monoculture, sort of helps offset some of the costs. Like in Japan, cities are extremely safe. When a crime does happen it's easy enough to find the foreigner who most often committed it. That's a lot of savings. Family units and a sense of purpose and community also cuts costs and adds savings that can be wasted providing inefficient public services.

    Well well well, no more of that for Sweden. Nope. Sweden is going to be a wonderful example of 'extremes' of Progressive Socialism. It's too late for them. There's no turning around. Done. It's over. And Joe is correct to point one thing out. Sweden cannot afford it's own Socialism. It NEEDS foreigners / new Tax Chattel (a great example of this is Australia). It can't afford it's own 'free'. Let's see how adding 500,000 to the welfare roles works out for Progressive Social Paradise Sweden.

    I have to say, I was a little worried about Japan opening the flood gates. Not too worried, but a little worried. I think Sweden's sacrifice will go a long long ways towards allaying any notion of doing so now.


    *Yes, that's sarcasm. USSA is a play on the initialisms: USA and USSR. You know, for the functionally illiterate who made it this far. Good jerb guys.
     
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    New Swedish Law Criminalizes Anti-immigration Internet Speech

    What?! Banning free speech / thought-police in a Progressive Socialistic Paradise? Really?!Nooooo, everyone knows Socialist Paradises never turn on their own and toss them into gulags or gas-chambers. That never happens. Ever. No no no.... Authoritarianism (the use of violence against innocent people) is for the "Good" of those people. You know, like when an abusive husband hits his wife - it's for her own good. Or when an abusive mother smacks her 2 year old - it's for their own good. Or when the USA dropped chemical fire-bombs on children in Vietnam - it's for everyone's own good.

    Violence against innocent people for the Good Of Society because You Use the Roads: Socialism. Don't worry, the oxymoron that is Socialism (democratic or otherwise) will eventually come to a head. Think of it as a mathematical inevitability.
     
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    Former Swedish PM: Sweden belongs to the immigrants - not the Swedes

    This is interesting (albeit, in my mind, somewhat perverse). Departing Swedish PM Fredrik Reinfeldt claimed that Swedes are uninteresting as an ethnic group and that it is instead the immigrants that creates the new Sweden. It is what they [immigrants] do in Sweden that is Sweden.


    Progressive Socialism, destroying one society at a time, so you don't have to.
     
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    From: Sweden: 'No Apartments, No Jobs, No Shopping Without a Gun'

    During the last few decades, Swedes have had to get used to the government (left and right wing parties alike) prioritizing refugees and migrants above native Swedes. The high tax level (the average worker pays 42% income tax) was been accepted in the past, because people knew that if they got sick, or when they retired or otherwise needed government aid, they would get it. Now, Swedes see the welfare system failing them. More and more senior citizens fall into the "indigent" category; close to 800,000 of Sweden's 2.1 million retirees, despite having worked their whole lives, are forced to live on between 4,500 and 5,500 kronor ($545 - $665) a month. Meanwhile, seniors who immigrate to Sweden receive the so-called "elderly support subsidy" -- usually a higher amount -- even though they have never paid any taxes in Sweden. (the problem is obviously the Koch Brothers - duhhhh)

    Worse, in 2013 the government decided that people staying in the country illegally have a right to virtually free health and dental care. So while the destitute Swedish senior citizen must choose between paying 100,000 kronor ($12,000) to get new teeth or living toothless, a person who does not even have the right to stay in Sweden can get his teeth fixed for 50 kronor ($6). (obviously the taxes are too low, everyone knows: More taxes = moar freeeeeeee)

    The injustice, the housing shortage, the chaos surrounding refugee housing units and the sharp slide of Swedish students in PISA tests -- all these changes have caused the Swedes to become disillusioned. The last straw was that Prime Minister Löfven had nothing to say about the murders at IKEA.


    --o--
    Let's see if Sweden doesn't end up just like any other shit-hole city in the USSA. Well, let me qualify shit-hole city. What I mean is, get used to "multiculturalism". Get used to violent ghettos where you're not allowed to go into them - even through they are a part of your once safe cities (well, unless you want stabbed). Get used to living next to people who, as parents, couldn't give two craps about teaching their children to read and write - let alone how to think. Why should they - you're paying the bills, and you WILL pay. So, all good. Get used seeing other Swedes carrying a gun, you'll probably want to buy one yourself. Get used to locking your doors at all times day and night. You'll raise your children in a locked house. Get used to living "The American Dream" because that nightmare is coming to Sweden. Not tomorrow. But over time. Say another 20 years on into forever.

    As for free public services. Well well, where to begin. Think generational welfare ghettos - them's expensive. Think Police State - that's expensive. Think bye bye meritocracy, hello quota's. Oh, Sven scored a 99.99 on his test - sorry, we have plenty of Sven's. He can go live in a State-run Welfare Ghetto. We got quota's to fill - for the good of society. AND, get this, as an added bonus, thanks to Regulatory Capture, Sven isn't allowed to become a Rent-Seeker. Sorry. No productive jerb for him. That's okay - multiculturalism and Magic Thinking is good enough. So, you get to pay a lot in tax, but all you're getting in return are functional illiterates and healthcare that will probably kill you. That's when I get Sweden's Bankers will want to get into the Murder Inc business - lots of money to be made there (see: USA).

    Welcome To America - soon you'll see why we do things the way we do. And, unless you sit atop a pile of resources like Australia and Canada - you're going to need many many many MANY more immigrants to pay for the ones already coming (which those countries need as well - particularly now that the once in a 1000 year China boom has ended). That's the way it works.
    Thank you Central Planning.
    Thank you Progressive Authoritarianism / Democratic Socialism.
    AND, most of all, thank you Sweden. Your sacrifice won't long be forgotten. It will be good for you to reflect on exactly how you got here.
     
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    Think of the jobs created when running a Police State in Progressive Social Paradise Sweden.
    (and more importantly the really big boost to GDP - and the borrowing, The Borrowing! Prosperity here we come!!!)

    Oh, of course, eventually Swedish Citizens will be too broke to pay for all those inefficiently Government-run social welfare programs everyone is scamming off of.
    And when that day comes, then Sweden will look just like the USA, and for the same reasons.
     
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    According to a United Nations Human Development Research Paper:
    PDF: A Hypothetical Cohort Model of Human Development

    Soviet Sweden (the Progressive Socialists Paradise) is expected to become a Third World Country by 2030.
    Didn't they get Joe's memo? They're about to BOOM in Sweden.

    Anyway, I had thought that Sweden might end up looking like the USA, in terms of ghettoized welfare estates where drugs and prostitution run rampant. But, to tell you the truth, given Sweden's insane far Left government, I think they'll end up much much worse. Oh, and get this, allowing in more labor has started driving DOWN the price of labor-hours (geeee and in a Social Paradice, who'd have thunk it?) AND there's a housing shortage (reeaaallly). Maybe they should vote to raise the their taxes AND minimum wage? Or vote for free Giver-mint stuff. That'll get the prosperity going. And blame the Koch Brothers.... yes, it's all them Koch Brothers fault.

    If you want to try and explain this: Swedish Minister starts crying because Sweden can't accept more refugees


    I suggest looking up this: Genetic and Neuro-Physiological Basis for Hyper-Empathy

    When it comes to subjective experiences like love, hate, empathy (even pathological empathy as we see in Europe) and the like - it's almost anyone's guess. And for me, I'd guess that the climate in Scandinavian may have selected for two behavior: cooperation and shunning. Why these two? Well, to live through the winter, working with others would be very advantageous. However, in all societies (including fruit flies), there are bludgers. My guess is, when push came to shove, bludgers were left out in the cold to starve to death in Sweden. They'd have had to do so. When winter comes and you only have enough to just barely, maybe, keep you and your family alive, fed and safe from dying. You're not going to help the neighbor who didn't do squat all summer in preparation.

    Thus, it is my opinion, Swedes will be the nicest people on earth, until they're not. When whatever clicks over from empathy to hatred, well, when that happens. Sweden is not going to be a nice place to live.

    The end result of every single Progressive Socialist far Left Magic Thinking society in ALL of history (incidentally, this is what Sanders is peddling).


    So, we best hope the UN report is wrong.


    This is a bad sign, WaPo: Denmark wants to seize jewelry and cash from refugees
    THAT is ominous and if it doesn't ring some alarm bells, well, I'm not sure what will then.
     
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    Cologne Germany:

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    WaPo: Sexual assaults blamed on ‘Arab’ men in Germany may inflame refugee debate
    Spiegel: New Year's Eve Attacks: Dozens of Women Sexually Assaulted in Cologne

    In what is being described as a 'Monstrous' coordinated rape attack, over 1000 North African and Arab men descended on a popular New Years Eve area of Cologne, attacking women, families and tossing fireworks into crowds of people. At least one woman was just outright gang-raped. Another German couple returning home (a father, his 15 year old daughter and wife) were surrounded. The father was beaten and humiliated while his daughter and wife sexually assaulted in front of him. Another woman was rushed to hospital after a firework exploded near her face leaving permanent scaring on her neck. White men (yes, those evil SOBs) were surrounded and beaten. One guy watched as his girlfriend was pulled away and he was tossed to the ground, beaten and sent to the hospital. She was sexually assaulted. At least 90 women were assaulted, and probably much more. Most also had their purses and valuables stolen, many had fingers crammed into their anuses and vaginas as their breasts were groped - leaving bruises and other physical and psychological damage.

    Because German news does't want to 'frighten' the tax-paying sheeple, it didn't report ANY of this. It was social media that broke the stories individually. It's now apparent this was coordinated and happened in other cities. The Police Chief said they aren't sure what to do about the year's other festivities - probably have to call in the Police State.. Geee, how much fun that'll be celebrated next to a guy with a gun to protect you from the people you're partying with.

    Oh, and get this, the city's Progressive Leftist Mayor is telling German women they need to stay at arms length away from people they don't know . Yes, THEY need to begin to modify their behavior (I wonder, maybe they can wear a Burka?). Oh, and they should only travel in small (presumably like-minded) groups - you know, because Multiculturalism is good. So keep to your own! LOL Oh, and if they are approached by strangers, they should call out to... other strangers, the ones that you've kept at arms length - you know for their help!

    Oh, and the Mayor actually referred to MEN. Yes, it's MEN that's the problem. Not North African and Arab Muslim men. ALL MEN. You know, because German MEN run around in rape gangs of 1000 pillaging people in society.

    That's normal in Germany.

    Oh, and get this, she suggested MAYBE these weren't primarily refugees (although some indeed were) maybe they were North African and Arab men who'd lived in Germany for some time. AS IF THIS makes it BETTER!! What an insane kook! This is all GOOD, because 'Multiculturalism'.

    Progressive Socialists swim in Magic Thinking like a fish swims in water.

    Meanwhile, the Government will now expand its powers and begin installing more spy camera everywhere.

    YAAAAY Police State.

    Welcome to America, Germany. And you didn't even have to leave your home. Just trust MaMa Merkel, she'll use the initiation of violence for the Good of Society. Just trust her, and your Government OFFICIALS.

    LOL!!!

    --o--

    Bye Bye Germany. No backing this train out of the tunnel. What's done is done. The Germany you knew is gone. Your idiotic propensity for Progressive Socialism has finally destroyed your way of life. And, as far as I am concerned, your civilization. That's gone. You'll have a new way of life.

    I Hope MaMa Merkel enjoys her Nobel Peace Prize.

    Oh well. Maybe your Progressives can give these rapists a Safe Room, you know, they just had to rape because they got looked at funny while Man Spreading on the train once.




    That aside, over here in monocultureal Japan, I was walking around the city at night without a care in the world. Kids as young as 6 riding (try to fathom that) alone on packed trains into the city - yes, unaccompanied. And not a care in the world. Not a machine gun or spy camera in sight. Imagine that?! No TSA to stick a finger in your anus when you take the train either, or fly. Oh, and get this, somehow all of the problems in Japan (and there are some problems, like too many old people) are NOT blamed on Japanese men. I know - weird isn't it. Not white men either. And Japanese women, I know this is strange, WANT to stay home and raise kids at least until they go to school. Whaaat? No 6 week day 'care'? Isn't THAT odd. And yet, somehow, Japan is a very prosperous, conservative, society.

    We could have had a version of this society. And I for one think the USA should be open to more highly skilled multiculturalism, due to the way the nation was founded. But that can ONLY happen without a generous welfare State. You cannot have both. One or the other.

    Oh well. Not now.

    So, thank you Germany and Sweden, I was actually worried this was going to happen in Japan. Now? I seriously don't think so.
    Thank the Gods.
     
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    "These people that we welcomed just three months ago with teddy bears and water bottles ... started shooting at the cathedral dome and started shooting at police".
     
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    RE: Safe Space

    AND, just as I suggested, the Cologne mayor Henriette Reker suggests that these poor wittle rape-gangs had no idea of what they were doing when they organized to go out and rape and plunder. No no no, they need a safe space and we need to be tolerant of different attitudes towards women.

    Reker is maintaining that it is Germans (particularly German women) who needed to modify their behavior and the 'migrants' only need to have a good sit down and talking to, you know, because they didn't understand gang-raping a 15 year old and her mother while kicking her father's head in was wrong.

    We need to explain to people from other cultures that the jolly and frisky attitude during our Carnival is not a sign of sexual openness
    - Henriette Reker, Progressive 'Democratic' Socialist.


    Ever wonder how wearing a tent around becomes a social norm? And eventually a religious mandate?
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    Express: Polizei-Führer berichtet Meine Nacht mit dem brutalen Mob

    Speaking to the Express newspaper, the senior officer—who was not named by the paper for fear of persecution for daring to speak out—said that there had been fifteen arrests by his unit on the night—and that fourteen were “Syrians” and one was from Afghanistan. These arrestees had “definitely only been in Germany for a few days or weeks,” the police officer said. “That’s the truth. Although it hurts.
     
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    A couple social phenomena I find interesting here.

    1) The extent to which Progressive 'Democratic' Socialism has taken hold in Sweden. One theory suggests that Swedes are, and always have been, very religious. It's a case of Big God, Little State versus modern Sweden: Big State, Little God. The 'Religion' in Sweden is Progressive Socialism. And, like any fanatical belief system, the adherents are so brainwashed that even in the midst's of a rape epidemic, housing epidemic and near social collapse and economic collapse (the UN suggests Sweden, once a prosperous nation, will drop WAY DOWN to #45 - third world status) they are still in the throws of State-worship. The scary thing is, when the pendulum swings back, well - as I've always said, Europeans can be some of the nicest people you've even met, until they aren't.

    2) The self-loathing of Swedish culture in Sweden by Swedes. Why? I don't really get that one. It's as if multiculturalism is 'good' because it'll eradicate Swedish culture which is 'bad'. That's interesting. I've never heard such a thing in Japan. Japanese LOVE Japanese culture. Here, again, I think it's a case of Left having taken control of the narrative - as well as the shift away from being a bit religious. Japan is in many regards, conservative. They're also very superstitious. Buddhism and Shinto polytheism play a large role in the way Japanese view life. Japan is also quite free-market, in many many MANY ways Japanese are MUCH freer than Americans.

    Also, the oligarchs in Japan have decided it is to remain a monoculture whereas the Swedish Progressives finally got what they wanted: Multiculturalism. You know, because it's worked out so well for the Middle East. Multiculturalism in the West, apparently also means you can hate white men, but everyone else, including roaming bands of rape-gangs and no-go ghettos, well, they're at least not white so, they're fine. Japan obviously doesn't have this problem. It's not possible to single out Asians from Asians.

    3) Essentially, the story of Progressive 'Democratic' Socialism is one where you have to sell hate. Self-hate, lack of trust, and thus the need for State violence to 'fairly' redistribute for the Good of Society. You know, because you can't trust the people around you to deal with you fairly. Maybe 40 years of Progressive Propagands in Sweden finally worked? You know, we see the same in the USA where the 'evil' Koch Brothers are to blame for *insert whatever, oh I don't know, the GM bankruptcy, Katrina, whatever.....*

    I don't really see so much of this in Japan, and the Welfare State in Japan is very small. I'll give you an example. I was recently told about a 'Refugee' from Malysia who lives in a Western country with his family. Now, to get to this far West, takes some money and most 'refugees' are more economic migrants. Anyway, so this guy lives in a 5 bedroom 3 bathroom mansion that he rents from a company. Now that his entire family has been brought over, he's raking in around 2000 a week off Social Services. Oh, and he just so happens to own the company that owns the house IN the country he's a refugee from. THAT is how insane the Social Democrats have made things in the West. This guys is a millionaire and owns the company that rents him the house. Insane isn't it? He takes out 2000 a day from 5 ATM using bankcards issued overseas, buys gold and jewels etc.. which he keeps in a safe. The 2000 he rakes in a week on 'Welfare' is just cream. So, he bought a pool and tennis court. Now, contrast this with Japan (who took in a total of around 14 refugees last year). A family relative who didn't save and now is too old to work, he lives on Japanese pension for people who don't have a business pension. It's sort of what everyone has to pay into and the minimum you can get. He's living on 500 a month. A marked difference. When I inquire about this, his family members say he should have been more responsible, he should have saved, he shouldn't drank so much, and he should have taken better care of his kids, and they'd be there to care for him. He didn't, so he doesn't deserve much. 500 a month is enough to 'live' on - barely. Oh, could you imagine the Progressive Left whining in the West at the mere thought of personal responsibility! HA!!! You'd never hear the end of it. This, we have refugees living like Kings and the rest of society barely getting by.

    4) Demographics. One thing I cannot get my mind wrapped around how MaMa Merkel, who has clearly articulated multiculturalism doesn't work in Germany, is doing this. Has she changed her mind? She now lives in a bubble? She's being blackmailed? Why the about face? One theory is that Germany (Sweden etc...) can no longer afford the generous Welfare States they promised the plebs when they got elected. So, what can't be paid for, won't be. How is it possible to remove such generous benefits after everyone has come to expect them? Well, one way is to let in a few million refugees who will abuse both the welfare system as well as make it obviously unattainable. The data I read is refugees pretty much remain a net negative in terms of economic benefit. Mostly because most don't have the skills that are needed. Many remain on welfare and many of those that remain on welfare get stuck on it. Soon, they're pretty much like our own generational welfare recipients. At best, they're a net neutral. THESE ARE NOT refugees. Many of these people are passing many safe countries just to GET ON Welfare in Germany. That is insane. But, perhaps not? Who knows?

    One way to get rid of something is to destroy it. Then you can scapegoat the refugees for your lies. A story as old as time.


    Either way, looks like Progressive Socialism/Communism/Statism has destroyed another few societies - bye bye Utopians Sweden and Germany.
     
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