Should countries outlaw the hijab, niqab and burka?

Flesh this out.

Because of the garb or because of what it represents?

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DL

 

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And when I see women wearing a ton of makeup (so much you can't really see their skin) it creeps me out, too. But it's their face and their decision.

 

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If I understood my reading of the Quran, the messenger advised women to be modest in dress and behavior.
This is a college town, and the norm is to see college women wearing skintight trousers and short jackets the show off their asses.
Wearing the burka here is really odd, and therefore really bold, and therefore not in the least bit modest.
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When I was ending basic training, the battalion was assembled in an auditorium, wherein a sergeant convinced us that we were at war with China.
"China!" i thought: "China who could field a soldier for every man woman and child alive in the united states..." "oh shit" as I slid down in my chair.
1700 other guys were pumping their fists up and down and shouting "yeah, lets go kill 'em". Then I thought, "not only do I have to fight a damned dicey war, but I get to do it surrounded by idiots....OH SHIT". and, they creeped me out.

Whenever I see people doing something that seems mindless, it creeps me out.
Plus, this ain't Halloween. People in masks also creep me out. As does talking to someone wearing reflector sun glasses. (I wanna see their eyes.)

I suppose that I could get used to it, but i really don't want to.

 

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yeh, me too,
I tend to think of people who use too much make-up or soak themselves in perfume as mentally ill.

But, yeh, it ain't my choice nor responsibility if people like being odd.
It's no worse than kids wearing their jeans down below their asses.
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This is Iowa where "say no to crack" means "pull your pants up boy".

 

"Wearing the burka here is really odd, and therefore really bold, and not in the least bit modest."

I agree.

Calling undo attention to yourself is far from modesty.

As a side note. ISIS was way outgunned and outmanned when they took Iraq.

The U.S is not the most populous in the world and was not when they, along with their allies, won WWII for the West.

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DL

 

You do know that the USSR was one of those allies?

 

Yes. Your point?

Do you think things would have went south for us if they had not been?

For all we know, they would have remained neutral if Hitler had not shot himself in the foot by taking them on.

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DL

 

So if a Western woman did not cover her face when she was in an Islamic country, would she be "far from modest?"

 

Very populous and not the west.

 

Do transvestite men in Saudi Arabia wear burkas?

 

If I wear a crown, does that make me a king?

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DL

 

True but their army had lost a lot of men by the time they went into Germany.

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DL

 

No.

Now back to my question. You said calling attention to yourself was far from modesty. So if a western woman refused to cover her face in an Islamic country, thus drawing attention to herself, would she be "far from modest?"

 

She would be natural. She is not saying via her culture or religion that she is being modest.
Natural is not modest nor is it bringing attention to yourself.

Regards
DL

 

OK. So a woman wearing a burqa in a Western society, because that's what she prefers, is just as modest as a woman who did not cover her face in an Islamic society, because that's what she prefers.

 

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It's a fascinating question, though, ins't it? Because of what it is or what it represents?

And, yes, it's easy enough to say both. I can offer three bullet points straight away―

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(1) Heavy facial makeup does not suit my aesthetic preference.

(2) There comes a point at which covering one's face, even with scientifically-engineeered hypoallergenic whatnot and so forth, isn't exactly healthy.

(3) There also comes a point at which I do not understand makeup outside a mating context.

―but they all presuppose a context that isn't mine to presuppose.

It is all about my own aesthetics, because I'm certainly not going to bother collecting the science in order to establish some sort of context judgment for a woman's appearance.

I disdain what "spooned on" makeup represents according to my perception and acculturation; I cannot say that's what it means to the person wearing it.

And I also disdain it in an intimate context; I've never learned how to make that taste "sexy".

But I cannot properly restrict anyone else's use of such products to the mating context; what it means to the person wearing that makeup is, quite specifically, not my business.

 

Covering ones face does not make one modest. It make one look stupid and unnatural and in the case of Muslims, it make a woman state that I am owned by the man who forces me to dress this way.

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DL

 

Is outlawing something suddenly less restrictive than having a choice?

I'm face palming hard right now. Guess I'm looking stupid and unnatural.