What is consciousness?

This new intelligence will not work fundamentally either with digital ones and zeros or with numbers as symbolic representations. We don't require symbols to process neurosensory input except to communicate descriptions of those with others of our kind. Manipulation of symbols for sensory experience is a blind alley that leads only to one of Turing's halting problems caused by over or under flow.

The most fundamental concept human being's brains process is the neurosensory equivalents of length. This completely eliminates the halting problem issue, removing a huge obstacle in terms of achieving consciousness. Nothing that gets stuck contemplating why infinity is not a number will be able to continue life in a predictable or intelligent manner. Sensory inputs must be processed in this way or not at all.

Dictionaries in every human language all contain mostly circular references described by symbols, with the sole exception being the concept of length. An apple just fits in the hand. It grows in tall trees, falls and may hit your head before hitting the ground a short time later. If it tastes good, it is because neuroreceptors in our tongues analyse the shapes of its chemical molecules. Length is literally all we are capable of sensing or processing at the most fundamental neurosensory level. An artificial intelligence which rivals our own must use the same concept in similar fashion.

And FYI, a Nobel Prize has already been awarded for brain research which has largely confirmed most of what I just wrote.

 

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I agree as well it's the complex parts you discussed is what gets me thinking. There is no easy way around it as I was looking for one

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In a way you could consider this an example of consciouness.

 

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"It sounds like you might be conflating consciousness too much with intelligence." Cc said

Clever clever yes I am glad you noticed I just decided to skip a step, but you know consciuosness naturally leads to intelligence with the added variable of time...

 

Neuroscientist will always provide good technical data for us to use, that gives us a good objective framework on the different working parts of the brain.

I don't know much about her work but it is interesting no less, please post any of her significant breakthroughs here to save me the time on research thanks...hmm

 

It not only must, there is no other way for it to properly function...

Like like and like some more, length now with the proper manipulation of this as an objective code will hold the key of passing the Turing test in my opinion. Sadly it will still take a lot of work but if we can manufacture machines more with identical base programming just for the more unimportant aspects of learning the different machines could essential just share knowledge and shorten the learning curve, since essentially they would be operating as one machine that has small variations due the there physical location.

 

If we build a machine that picks up stimuli that can be considered alien to human senses then in a way we will be building a new species just not a living or a real one...

 

Dan, please elaborate on length you hold the key to this discussion. I will add my take as you all go on.

 

The strengthening of neural connections is something that transcends the brain, and I believe it's actually part of the very fabric of space. This is not to be taken litterally it's merely a metaphorical explaination on how I see things.

 

Please forgive everyone my brain has crashed and I am not currently plugged in receiving any significant insights.

 

It's a lot to take in.

Our greatest minds, Newton and Einstein, quite literally applied their respective geniuses to a resolution of dynamics of motion, and Einstein in particular taught us more about the fundamental idea of length (and also time, which is equivalent) than any other scientific mind in history. This really is all our senses ever process in the raw about our universe. The rest of our self-referential human language and definitions eventually reduce to statements about spatial relationships, temporal relationships, color, texture, tastes, smells, about everything we encounter or model, all basically the same kind of information.

Any model derived from such information is always incomplete in some respects. A model of a shape that can be manipulated in terms of orientation is only one aspect. Some objects may be disassembled or assembled with other shapes to derive new shapes to manipulate. This is the beginning of spatial intelligence, but this facility must self-organize these ideas. No one could ever program such an intelligence to convey everything it might ever need to know.

The details of the encoding process may be slightly different processed from different sense organs, but have commonality when the signals from them are processed by neurons more central to the modeling process.

 

Einstiens static concept of finite space and infinite time seems a good comparison to a needed framework of spatial transformations.

Infinity may be the only reason anything exist...

 

This is true that is why time is so essential even for humans. It takes time to strengthen neural connections as well to expand human objective awareness and intelligence.

 

Don't discount the concept of zero. Zero is to infinity as 'at rest' is to the speed of light. A finite mind can handle only zero or falsehood. Infinity and the entire truth will always elude a finite mind. It literally won't fit; there isn't enough room. It's the reason we must communicate with each other in symbols, and for us, truth is only a value, not an absolute. We only seek that part of the truth which impacts our survival directly; not all of it.

You should be beginning to grasp the limitations of your own mind about now. Try not to let it depress you. As a race, we are becoming a larger mind, at least.

For the moment, I wouldn't try and share all of this. Most people aren't ready for it. They never are. They will view such information with the same jaundiced eye as Mr<id> on that other thread.

 

I disagree with a couple of things here "zero" I believe represents infinity and also "1" but as individual infinite sets making up true infinity "0"

As for limitations it's just a quality and a direct consequence of a temporal existence.

I would like to let you know Dan that I decided to take your advice. I previously was greatly against cognitive inhancers but now I can't help but feel curious...hmm

So like I said before, I will try the one that seems to interest me the most at current time "Modafinil" hopefully it will not be a waste of my time. Will let you know...

Since I am not a narcoleptic I can not readily get the prescription, so I will have to fabricated the brain scans when I go to the doctor, to have my brain scans mimic a narcoleptic.

I can achieve this by skipping sleep for 96 hours then attend my doctors appointment in this state upon me taking the scans, this will cause my brain scans to temporarily mimic a narcoleptic's brain patterns. I have done this before this is how I know this. Once I have possession of the pills I will begin experiments immediately and document the results...I can't wait!

 

As long as it is understood, I'm not a medical professional and did not prescribe them. You should in general avoid doing anything like that at least until you are a mature adult. Tampering with the chemical systems of rewards like this may cause you and those closest to you some pain and suffering. Adults need to learn how to cope with life before developing a chemical dependence, which is a way of avoiding any natural mechanisms for coping. We didn't evolve as heroin addicts. Evidently, we DID evolve as alcoholics vs. non-alcoholics, and fortunately, I'm one of the latter.

FYI, none of anything we have discussed so far was conceived with the use of stimulants, hallucinogenics, or anything of the kind.

 

Its true drugs is cheating but I don't believe Modafinil is addictive and most claim there isn't any documented side effects. It's really just to keep you awake sometimes I have to be up for days on end due to my busy schedule. When the grind is on I need to be alert.

 

Sometimes I only get 5 hours of sleep in a 5 day period.

 

I work contruction and operate heavy machinery if I am not alert I could die or kill someone. I enjoy the physical challenge of the job so I may not quit or retire anytime soon.

 

Stimuli

Biological entities respond to stimuli the majority of which comes from outside biology. Without stimuli biology would have no purpose.