Mass ufo sightings

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    This one occurred in 1966 in Westall Australia. Around 200 school children saw a silver saucer shaped craft in the sky that hovered in the sky and then moved with lightning speed to other places. At one point the craft was observed to land in a wooded area behind some trees, then rose back up, turned on its side vertically, and vanished. A flattened swirled area of grass was witnessed afterwards. Here's the story per actual witnesses. Definitely solid evidence here:

     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    We also have our share of gullible impressionable nuts in Australia.

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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You're saying these 200 kids were all nuts? On what basis?
     
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  7. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    My score: Total sceptic! 80%
     
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  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Balloons and parachutes don't change direction in midair and move quickly with incredible speed. They also don't land and then take off again leaving swirled circles in the grass that military personel scan with geiger counters and then burn a week later. They also don't vanish in midair.

    Here's an analysis of the HIBAL hypothesis:

    "(1) Since the records of the 292 flight cannot be found and the other flights can be found, there is a significant likelihood that this flight never occurred. So what is the likelihood that this flight occurred? I'll guess 25% or .25
    (2) What is the likelihood that the wind patterns were in the right directions and of the right strength to cause the balloons to drop near the Westall school? You might argue that the children saw the chase plane which would increase the likelihood of that being the case but my understanding is that there were known light private aircraft in the area so not necessarily the chase plane. Without some data that says the wind was blowing in the correct direction and of sufficient strength to drive the balloon towards Westall, I put this event as low and around 5% or .05
    (3) What is the likelihood that all the children as well as adults in the school mistook a balloon for a UFO? I find that difficult to believe. The larger the crowd, the less the odds that no one in the group realizes that this is a balloon. I put this at 1% or .01 unless someone has a photo of a HIBAL balloon and it is not recognizable as a balloon at low altitude.
    (4) Then there are the various descriptions that make it difficult to explain it with a balloon. The object drops below the pine trees and then comes back up; the object moved at a high rate of speed; the circular imprint in the ground; the comment that the ground had been scorched. Maybe some of those descriptions are correct and some are incorrect but it only takes one of those being true to drive the odds of a balloon explanation to zero. So what are the odds that all of the non-balloon possibilities are false? I'll say 10% or .1

    Those requirements place the odds of this explanation as being 1 in 80,000 or too high to discard what the witnesses claim to have seen."===http://ufos-scientificresearch.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/project-hibal-answer-to-westall-files.html
     
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  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I suggest that with all the UFO sightings in the world, and taking into account most are seen in out of the way places in the middle of nowhere, or to impressionable gullible kids, that the chances are probably 100 to 1 that all that is ever seen are UFOs....mysterious, unidentified, but plain old UFOs none the less.
    I further suggest that the likelyhood of any of these UFOs to be of Alien origin would be 100,000 to 1, considering the incredible distances they need to travel, while being in an advanced technological age to us, would just flitter in and then flitter out again, never making themselves officially known, but just grabbing some jackass in the middle of nowhere and possibly conduct some unmentionable medical procedure, or playing with crop circles....no, let's make that 1,000,000 to 1!

    Bigfoot has been conclusively shown to be a fraud by Professors at Oxford University, and in time, the few remaining unexplained UFO sightings will also be explained. hohum.
     
  12. zgmc Registered Senior Member

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    To us it may seem like an incredible distance to travel, but if FTL travel is possible, then the 'verse just got a whole lot smaller.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I think the method of conveyance for transhuman intelligences is thru portals and wormholes. So many sightings suggest a manipulation of space itself somehow going on, not to mention of the Higgs Field. Contactees describe entering small ufos and finding them as big as a ship on the inside.
     
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    Yes, yes certainly, all allowed for by the laws of physics and GR, but what absolutely defies common sense, is that these superior intelligent beings, just flitter in, and flitter out again, never to make their presence officially known.

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    Santa Clause and the easter Bunny are also real and have appeared to many more.

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  15. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Do you even know what the Higgs Field is?
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Do you?
     
  17. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I'll presume you know what the Higgs field is.
    I'll presume that these Aliens are somehow capable of manipulating this field and the associated higgs particle,. I'll presume that they are able to go may times FTL through manipulating spacetime warpage.
    That puts them many light years ahead of us....they obviously would not be afraid of us. So why are they so secretive about their visitations?
    Obviously also just as the greatest question we could have answered in "are we alone" likewise that would be their greatest question. So again, why not announce officially their visitations?

    The answer is obvious to most people. Because the UFOs that have visited Earth are not Alien in origin, they are simply UFOs explained by many other means which you so readily discard.
    I'm not trying to change your mind on your beliefs. You just need to realize that all this fanatical exercising of your rights to post whatever nonsense you chose, is really to no avail.
    Your claims though are 100% scientifically invalid and unproven, and until we have the extraordinary evidence of such visitations, that is how they will remain.
    Just as Oxford University has rebuked totally Bigfoot.
    Anyway, all the best in your mission. Although you would get more support at a more crank site I suggest.
     
  18. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Got you beat by 2%, paddo.
     
  19. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    I got "Open Minded" with 80%.

    I blame the question about other life elsewhere in the Universe.
     
  20. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Meh, "Open Minded" - 77%.
    Damn me and my inability to jump to unwarranted conclusions, and my comfort in saying "I don't know"!!
     
  21. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    Yes. I see now. Our conversations with other beings have led to an unveiling of pseudo-infinite consciousness. Who are we? Where on the great path will we be recreated? Humankind has nothing to lose.
     
  22. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    Solid evidence of what?
     
  23. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Balloons that are descending in an uncontrolled manner do bounce - or are at least capable of it. If they are descending at a reasonable speed due to entering, say, a localised low pressure volume (the way aircraft can suddenly do), then they will retain that downward speed when they leave it, despite possibly having a net upward acceleration in the higher pressure air (so they'll be slowing down as they get lower). Thus, they can hit the ground and then the upward acceleration will result in the balloon lifting up again. Local winds could even keep the balloon at ground level for a while, blowing it around, before it lifts up again.
    Simple physics, really.
    It might also explain the changes of direction - although I don't know the local wind-patterns.

    As for the swirled circles in the grass - again entirely possible if the balloon is close to the ground and being swirled around while dragging a payload.
    As for the geiger counter - if this was, as suspected by many, part of the HIBAL program which was investigating radiation levels after the Maralinga nuclear tests, the military personnel would be all over it with such things, and depending on their findings they might well burn the affected areas.

    The record of flight 292 might have been "removed" as an attempt to cover up that a radioactive balloon (if it had picked up radiation) crashed near a school. Or the records were simply misplaced as a result of continual investigations into them, requiring the paperwork to be handed around. But I can't say for sure, of course.


    As for your own analysis - on what do you base the % you have used?
    Further, the analysis can only lead to dubious conclusions.
    Let me demonstrate:
    What are the chances that a person's great grand-parents never met... let's say 1 in 2 (50%) - it was perhaps a chance encounter at a bus-stop.
    What are the chances that they actually liked each other... let's say 1 in 2 (50%)
    That they fell in love? 1 in 100?
    That their child would have exactly the characteristics of the one they had, given the millions of different sperm etc...
    You do this at a simplistic level for a few generations and you quickly conclude that each and every one of us has a non-zero but ridiculously small chance of ever existing... such that you would probably conclude we can't exist. And yet here we are.

    Simples.

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    Not saying you're necessarily wrong in your assertion of it being a UFO, just that I find the HIBAL explanation to be vastly more compelling.
     

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