kurdistan and nationhood

Discussion in 'World Events' started by spookz, Apr 10, 2003.

  1. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    Viena
    My friend the city of Hitler , let me explain certain things to you . When a person(A) calls another person(B) an X , person A should explain why if person A should be considered worthy of conversation . That is something not happening here , yet I am friendly enough to at least try and do my best to clear matters up for you .

    Now : what do you do , you quote person B , in the way that you believe shows why person B is an X .

    So u say I say :
    so u dont vote Bush , but vote a "democrat" , who still sucks jewish dick

    Ofcourse you refer to the "jewish" . I could explain you exactly how you would think that this makes me a racist , according the same logics why I bould be an anti semite , or a terrorist , or a commie , etc etc etc . I could also explain you how rididiciouless this would be and refer to the fatc that you would not even be able to define racism , racist , etc , just as u can not defie anti semitism , terrorism , etc .
    Im not going to do that , because as it is you who accuses me of being something , it should also be you who is responsible of the explenations whilst you be considered a wortyhy person to discuss matters with . U already proved what you are exactly , yet I am willing to ask you :

    Why am I a racist ,


    when I state that a person votes for another person who sucks jewish dick ? or state that a person votes for another person who still boycots the 3rd world ?or state that a person votes for another person who still bombs countries ?or state that a person votes for another person who still makes sure equal rights is something only to be written in books ?or state that a person votes for another person who still is making sure everything you(accused party) are all so proud of , your rights , your wealth , your freedom , remains your very own monopoly (ofcourse allong with your friends in Euro , Aussie , Canada , etc etc etc , the white CIVILIZED western world , and ofcourse even then within the WHITE CIVILIZED MAJORITY).


    Is it merely because I identify people as jewish , or white ?

    And lest me ask you the most wonderfull question of them all , becuase that is really the thing that I actually dont have an answer for .

    1)U believe my racism is pointed at jews from a white perspective
    2)U believe my racism is pointed at jews from a black perspective
    3)u believe my racism doesn deal with black or white just with jews
    4)there a fourth possibility of who I am racist against from some other perspective

    And if you could be so kind , could you please first answer this question , then show me exactly why and how (please do some trouble , you see that I am willing to do some trouble for you as well)

    Now for the rest :

    You accuse me for not having time for others peoples comments , while I am the one who actually reads something in here , while most people who have all these wonderfull ideas and imaginations of things (as it suits them , lets not forget what internet really is shall we?) , care to ignore about every argument given , blabbering on as they do about whatever position things might appear to them . Im sorry but if anyone reads around here its me and some other people , not the majority and certainly not you . If I error on something I havent looked at Im the first to excuse myself since Im not here on bullshitty emotional reasons , but again I dont expect you to understand matters neither cant I blaim you for it . All I do is create your images while all you do is inform me , thats all . So please , inform me further on :

    why u care to bring in Allah , other than ME ?
    Lets leave your Gods out of it shall we ?
     
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  3. Vienna Registered Senior Member

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    what the f..... is that supposed to mean??

    Now, I'll write this slowly so that you understand. The comments you made above are indicated at the white western world and capitals are used to stress your comment. Note the word "white"; many people of differing skin colours live in the west. Therefore you are using racist descriptive words to single out the "white westerner". Get it ??????

    God? Allah? They don't exist...They are just figments of mans imagination. How can anyone possibly worship something they can't see, can't touch, can't feel and then to go on some jihad and sacrifice their lives for something thats not there?????

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  5. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    allahs math,

    how do you think my character supports and finance war? i would do anything to stop people killing each other for any reason. for me, the most stupid and ridicilous thing is WAR in the world.

    and yes, your caharacter results in most of the troubles in the world, not because you produce guns or tanks (if you could- you would, thats another issue) but because since you are WAR STARTERS you help imperialist powers to USE you.
    you sound like a typical nonturkish-kurd who is used and filled with anger and acts without thinking twice- without listening other side of the story.

    and thats why call you racist. because we have to LISTEN and TRY TO SEE THE WHOLE PICTURE before we do somethin.
    as you mentioned, you do NOT know any nonkurdish-turk, you have never been in Turkey, and you never interested in OTHERSIDE'S story. and you are soo HATEFULL.
    if a was a typical jew, believes in israel, hates palestanians, how would i sound to you? you sound to me the same way. nonaware and racist.

    you mentioned that CNN gives the truth, and its unacceptable for me, you sound again unaware. since you believe, knowing and giving only one side of the story is giving the truth, ok, again, what can i say? if you cant the systematic brainwashing in US..
     
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  7. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    Vienna
    Vienna-Hitler ?
    Cant u relate the 2 ?
    It was merely the symbolics of your name in the context of you accusing me of being racist . I though in some way it was ironic .

    Get it ? LMAO .
    I cnat believe this is al you have to say .

    Let me explain matters to you :
    1)Its clear that you confuse identifying something as white , as being racist . To you , this means that racism=identifying race .
    A)Please define race . By your theory I am not a racist but a skincolor-ist .
    B)Why is racism the identifying of race ? If I see you , can I not say you are white , if you are white ? I am not allowed to see the color of your skin ? Are you not allowed to see mine ?

    I hold rather a different and more accurate defintion :
    Racism = Judging a person because of his race . So now I hope you understand both errors you are making .

    So already not being a racist , as I judge no individual by their race , I see that you try to shove me some facts you mispresent , to make me look like the Idea what you might have of racism .
    This you do by saying that I single out White people in the Western world , since there are so many others .
    1)There are NOT so many others .
    2)Again i merely identify a certain people as white , am I lying ?
    Why am I not allowed to identify a race ? Why then is the USA allowed to Identify ethnicity (people fill out stuff) ? Can you explan me relevant to this question the difference between ethnicity and race ?

    Just to piss you off a bit more , I can gladly tell you that I can identify about 90% of the people I speak of correctly without seeing them or knowing their race , but just by the ammount on their bank account . Guess what , there is not other people I was speaking off . On this issue on your behalf all that can be added is that there are poor white people in the West as well .
    Points can be made
    1)They are not so compared to the rest of the globe .
    2)They are only so compared to the other WHITE peoples who do have a decent bank account .

    But perhaps it was never racism what your problem was , but generalization . Im sure you know exactly the difference , all I can say : Nietzche did it too!! :bugeye:

    I care little for exceptions when I speak of masses .

    Did I not tell you ; why u care to bring in Allah , other than ME ? Lets leave your Gods out of it shall we ?

    If Allah doe not exist I suggest you stop talking to yourself . I dont worship anything in the first place it is anything that worships me . And please , dont bring in Jihad you obviously have no Idea what Jihad is . Nobody is sacrificing anything for something that is not there , please dont bring in your Gods I already asked you .
     
  8. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    first of all, as a science person, i personally do not believe a god (or allah) exists.. soo, althought its written JEWISH on my ID, ( another thing that you do not know about turkey-government writes your religion on your ID- ohh, what a discrimination, in a muslim country, live w/a ID which says you are NOT muslim-bullshit).

    secondly, since you protect kurds who live in turkey, and hate the rest of the country, and believe the rest of the country torturing them, i feel freeto call the rest as NON KURDISH-TURKS, if you give permission.

    you told me before, you DO NOT know any nonkurdish-turk,(i read everything on your posts except the ones include cursing), i am the first one you are talking, and you should accept driving thruogh is not enough to know the people or the country.

    and if you USE your brain for a second, you may see its more smart try to do something on other sides land rather then staying where you were always been and kill innocent people. YOU CAN GAIN YOUR WAR JUST WITH YOUR BRAIN, not with your body, there are millions of arab body ready to explode (and exploses all the time) in middle east, let me ask you: WHAT DID THEY SUCCEED?

    use your brain, but since you are still repeating that YOU BELIEVE CNN GIVES THE RIGHT INFO, your brain is already washed, it must be hard to live with a washed brain in a arab body..good luck..
     
  9. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

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    I wish a certain person would go and get run over by a bloody tank!
     
  10. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    very good for you

    1)stop telling me what i do and do not know , u r incorrect
    2)being jewish is more then a religion lets not bulshit here .
    Its because its not just a religion , but also peoples (of different tribes) . So they write ethnicity on your passport . Well guess what , here people can SEE an ethnicity as one is black and one white . All irellevant
    3)why are u making ur lovely turkey look bad ?

    U know I am getting quite tired of this little "Ill just ignore what u write" game . I have asked you on various occasions about the GREY WOLVES . Now u tell me of what ethnicities they are . U tell me exactly how they function and what responsibility they have .
    I dont accuse ALL OTHER PEOPLE IN TURKEY . Thats why its not ok to speak of non-kurdish turks . And again , in the first place its not quite smart to define something by denying something else .

    Can u believe this person ?

    I HAVE NON-KURDISH SUNNI TURK (LOL) FRIENDS

    Now for cursing , lets not act like cry babies shall we ?
    I suggest u read what I write because its really getting ridiciouless .

    U are hilarious , seriously stop it .

    IF my ARAB BODY is relevant to you miss , you are RACIST .
    I am here disputing with you some crazy ameikan news channels owned by JEWS , hey its your brothers not mine that do all the lying . Im sorry but I have already told you how a news channel worx nowadays , if u cant read or understand or coprehend , Im sorry I cant explain u any different , my last attempt .
    THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTUAL FACTS AND THE PRESENTATION OF ACTUAL FACTS . CNN .

    I cant put it any more clear . So for this time I will look through your insults as you come up with fantasees about my brain .

    toobad you're not willing to actually teach me about something and answer my questions on any level .

    U just wanna disagree .
    Thats not constructive , thats a waste of time .
     
  11. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    ''3)why are u making ur lovely turkey look bad ? ''

    who is not reading others posts?- i told you many times that i LEFT the country since i was not happy living there.

    ''I am here disputing with you some crazy ameikan news channels owned by JEWS , hey its your brothers not mine ''

    just read how racist you sound like- i am not telling anything more..

    and yes being a jew is more then a religion- and I AM AGANIST ALL KIND OF DISCRIMINATION BETWEEN PEOPLE WHICH CREATES PAIN. so i simply deny belonging to a discriminative group. i wish everybody thinks that way.

    and you are right- this conversation is long enough- lets cut it please.

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  12. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    why dont u use your brain ? Can one make a country looking bad only by being/living there ? No

    U dont even know the meaning of racism I suggest u just drop ur bullshit .

    blablabla

    Indeed . Thanks for not informing on anything , thanks for not refuting any points , thanks for just looking for disagreement , thanks for calling me all sorts of dumb names , and most of all thanks for reasoning like a 12 year old .

    Bye bye
     
  13. pillowtalk Registered Senior Member

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    i told many bad things about Turkey- the only positive thing that i mentioned ( show me what else i said) that THERE IS NO DISCRIMINATION to any ethnicity- and THERE NEVER WAS. you did not like it, your ears and hearth are all closed to hear anything that you do not believe, obviously you are not open minded soo i think its waste of time for you to talk people on here, since your only aim is to fight, its unmature.

    and yes, YOU ARE ONE OF THE MOST RACIST PERSON that i ever met. i believe, many people who reads your posts think the same. only you, you can't hear what you say.

    ''blablabla''
    unfortunately thats the most important part of all which you will never comprehend.

    all you want to know the discriminative details - soo here you go:

    mizrahi--eastern in hebrew--is used to describe people descended from jewish communities that never left the middle east and north africa in the course of jewish history. their home language was usually arabic or judeo-arabic and many aspects of their culture closer to their arab neighbors than to ashkenazi jews. the adjective sephardi is the term that comes from sephard, the hebrew word for spain, representing those descendants of the Jewish community that lived in spain or portugal for hundreds of years until the catholic inquisition and expulsion of the jews in 1492. this community was dispersed and settled primarily in the ottoman empire, especially in morocco, turkey and greece. ladino, the medieval judeo-spanish language they carried with them, was still spoken in the many families.

    my grandparents are greek jews who escaped from nazi persecution and moved to turkey around 1940'ies.

    are you happy now?
     
  14. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    quite the opposite , especially this one is about certain important knowledge . I have gave you the facts , you dont wish to refute them by other then saying its new york times thus its a lie (while the other was a jewish article) .

    Now if i know there's no info for me there , Im starting to make fun of you , thats different then fighting . If ur sounding realklky ridicouless thats what i do , cant i enjoy myself a bit ? But you are about the only person In here I have repeatedly asked in such a way about facts , and I waited for a serious response , but all I got was

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    Yet every argument people who claim such bring in is being refuted , and for Vienna's case his true racist nature came out at he started to insult Turks (while I am Arab

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    ) . Neither he nor you can bring in arguments , tahts not the u can call define people . Just call them a name and dont care to explain why but point to another who calls me the name , who happens to be a racist himself .

    I hear what I say , it is you who cant explain why what i say is racist . Thats your problem not mine as I dont even know you I honestly dont care what you think about me .

    thank you , although my motivations are not like u say . Perhaps u didnt know it but I have jewish friends and Ive studied some Jewish culture religion and anthropology . I didnt know if there were any other groups within the region of Turkey other then Mizrahi or Ashkenazim . Khazaric Jews (those who remained) I wondered if they would be found in Turkey by heritage , thats all . And as they would ethnically heritage of the Ashkenazim (at least for the Turkic part) , they would culturally be more along the Mizrahi as they have remained near to eachother . I wondered this because of the region turkey is in (close to central asia , the positionf the Khazaric empire) . I wonder because I also have heard of Chehcnyan Jews , and wondered weither the 2 were related and Ashkenazic .

    Thanks for the info , and no "discriminatings" thing are ment . You have created a totally irational image of me that has little to do with who I am but how I stand on the Kurdish issue , and there doesnt seem anything that can make you let go of it .

    You call me a racist while I dont judge by race , dont discriminate people because of their ethnicity , skincolor , religion , etc . I am myself a mixed Arab , and Ive grown up in one of the most multi-cultural places on earth , witch gave me friends and aqcuintences of more nationalities and ethnicities than you can think of .

    In your judgement you sound highly irational , and I would wish that if we are to continue a discussion it will be about the points made , and not the insulting of me with lame terms as racist , while they aint correct . I made my points clear , the arguments are drawn out for quite a while now . Refute them or end the discussion .

    Goodbye missy
     
  15. spookz Banned Banned

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    sooo
    where are we now? 10,000 or so irani-trained paramilitary fighters (shiites). 70,000 battle-hardened peshmerga fighters. (kurds) whats up with the sunnis? what are their numbers?

    The major political parties of the Iraqi Governing Council agreed at a meeting with Kurdish leaders on Thursday evening and Friday morning that the northern Kurdish region should keep much of the autonomy that it has held for the last 12 years, a senior Kurdish official said.
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    That includes allowing the region to remain together as one political body in a federalist system rather than dividing it up into several provinces, as some American officials had proposed, said the official, Barham Salih, prime minister of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, one of two governing political parties in the Kurdish area.

    1/10/04



    america are not in favor. sistani wants election before constitution. if either prevail, kurds will take premptive action, ja?

    http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/keycleric12.htm

    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/377861.html

    The United States faces the prospect of two governments inside Iraq -- one for Kurds and one for Arabs -- after so far failing to win a compromise from the Kurds on a formula to distribute political power when the U.S. occupation ends, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1767-2004Jan8?language=printer
     
  16. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

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    They apparently went back to their villages and towns after helping the troops in their push southwards towards Baghdad. *shrugs*
     

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