CONgress Passes Bill To Revoke Americans' Passports Without Due Process

It's pretty vital that we be able to revoke the passports of suspected terrorists.

 

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Two things:

Michael is narrow-minded in the extreme. I'll bet he can pass through the eye of the needle quite handily..

Passport revocation is fine, but who exactly is on that no-fly list? No transparency at all does sound like a police state.

 

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Actually similar laws have been or are being passed also in Australia, with regards to being able to revoke the Australian citizenship of any foregn born person who has been shown to participate in terrorism or any act of war/aggression against Australia.
In the old days we called it treason.

 

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I gave the definition of socialism at the onset. You OTOH are dragging out the No True Scotsman fallacy now that Socialist Obama isn't working out so well - solution, oh, he's not a "Real" socialist.

Obama is a socialist.

 

Jesus, talk about a strawman.

Let me make sure I have your argument correctly: Communist China, run by a single Party, that kills political opposition, regulates pollution, and protects it's crony-industries (many Communist Chinese owned and run) is a 'free market' that uses sound money and protects property rights? So, according to you, ANY 'free' Chinese Citizen can sue the Communist Party owned Industries, be given a fair trial of their peers, and expect to be paid according to a fair arbitration?

Come on! They don't call it Red Capitalism for the fun of it. Social Fascism would best describe their economic model. Pretty similar to ours actually.

Not to mention it's the US Federal Government that is the World's single largest polluter - IN human history.

 

Obama's not working out?

 

Not without due process. AKA: Law.
And the definition of 'terrorist' is so vague as to include anyone.

 

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Not that good a socialist, apparently.

 

I didn't see the right to a passport in the constitution.

 

Thank you Government school - a job well done.

Oh, I mean, of course not - and you have your understanding of how the US Constitution works exactly backwards.

Our rights don't come FROM the Government at all. So of course the US Constitution doesn't list the 'Right' to a passport. I'm assuming you did Civics in Government School? The US Constitution WAS supposed to protect our Natural Rights FROM the government impinging upon them. See: the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution for the 'due process clause'.

Not that any of this matters.

Welcome to the United Police States of America
Land of the Fleeced
Home of the Slave

 

So what natural right do you have to a passport? Nothing's preventing someone from leaving.

 

This is exactly what Socialistic societies look like.

 

Don't worry, we're getting to National Socialism - and the Great Redistribution is coming. Just a few more decades to go. We're almost there.

 

See how long your rights last without a state to grant them.

 

I'm not sure how on earth you passed your Civics class?!? One more time, the State doesn't grant rights. The US Constitution protects our Natural human rights FROM the State! One of those rights is to Due Process. Jeesh.... I knew it was bad, but I didn't think it was THIS bad. Understanding something as important as Natural Rights and the role of the US Constitution in protecting our Natural Rights FROM the government impinging upon them, I would argue, is fundamental to being an "American". What you're suggesting is 180 degrees the opposite from legal reality in the USA. Not that it matters now. The laws have been so bent they're pretty much facing the opposite of their intended purpose (thank you Social Progressives).

I fully expect Americans to cheer our coming Dictator in the exact same way NK cheer Kim-Jung-Il. I do not expect to see one iota of difference. It's a story as old as time.


Oh, and you needn't worry about the State 'granting' you shit - it's in the process of TAKING what little rights you have left. You can't even cut hair, arrange flowers or fix a computer in many of the States, not without paying the State for its permission / licences. Not to mention, you have to pay the State a percent of your labor if you do somehow manage to get that State to grant you permission to sell your labor per hour - in effect, making you a Slave to the State. Oh well, again, a story as old as time and simply a return to the historical trend-line.

 

Boo hoo, you can't cut someone's hair and not pay taxes. And by the way, without a state making sure you still have rights, your talk of natural rights is merely academic.

 

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For now, you can legally cut someone's hair. What you can not do it legally cut someone's hair and be remunerated. That's illegal. You know, because you use the roads.

No one has a problem paying 'taxes' that do not require the initiation of violence against innocent people (tolls, gasoline tax, entry fees, bus tickets, etc...). Forcing a laborer to pay the State a tax for the privilege of working is stealing and is immoral. It's a form of slavery and required an amendment to the US Constitution (by Progressive Socialists) to make it legal.

In the USA, unlike other countries, State doesn't grant rights. You know, the whole Revolutionary War thing? Our Civil Rights are not granted by a King or one of his lackeys. Maybe you missed this in Civics class? Or, more likely, maybe it simply isn't taught any longer. The US Constitution was written to protect our Natural rights FROM the government. It is really that simple. The fact we have an American making an argument about (well, if you call "Boo Hoo" an argument) that we don't have a 'right' to a passport because it's not listed somewhere in the US Constitution is hilarious. It's 180 degrees the opposite of everything this nation was founded on.

A return to the trend-line.

I've said for many years now. This isn't the USA. It's a tax farm. On this tax farm exist Citizen / tax chattel and their Farmers. So, if you like the State of the Union, that's great. I suspect someday your grandkids will say to you "Boo Hoo" I don't see where it says in the US Constitution you have the right to be an Atheist. "Boo Hoo" I don't see where it says in the US Constitution you have the right to live past 70. "Boo Hoo" I don't see where it says in the US Constitution you have the right to your home. Or the right to read a book. Or play a video game.

Don't worry, the Great Redistribution is on its way - only a few more decade yet to go. Dear Leader will make sure we all get exactly what we each deserve.

And a small little amendment later and "Boo Hoo" I don't see where it says in the US Constitution you have the right to criticize Dear Leader. Done and Done. And this will be as normal as you paying the State a for a licence/permission-slip to sell arranged flowers. Or as normal as you paying the State a portion of your labor each hour, that it can then bundle up as a T-bond and sell off to the Chinese et.al.

As normal as our losing yet another Civil Right: this time Due Process.
Home of the Fleeced
Land of the Slave

 

No, you didn't. You don't know what socialism is. There are plenty of socialists and socialism around, even in the US - the local fire departments in almost every community in the US are socialized - so there is no "True Scotsman" fallacy. I have handed you many examples of socialism and socialists over the past few months, such as Norway's transportation industry. There are "True Socialists" all over the planet.

It's just that Obama is not among them. All his enacted policies and promoted legislation and so forth have been ideologically rightwing capitalist - such as Obamacare: originally designed by Mitt Romney to keep any trace of socialism out of the needed medical insurance reforms in Massachusetts, it doesn't even allows buying into a "public option" or Medicare as a last resort. It mandates that private citizens obtain private medical insurance from private capitalist corporations.

Government mandated capitalism is not socialism. Capitalism and socialism are different economic structures, michael.

It's called the Bill of Rights.

 

The Senate hasn't acted on this yet. https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/114/hr237/text

Also, it appears that there was 40 minutes allocated for “debate”, but that the bill was introduced, speeches were made, and it was asserted that specific reasonable due process did exist and a vote was held in 15 minutes. Can the word “debate” be used if no one spoke out against the bill at this time? And that follows a lengthy history as this bill was introduced in January.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/237/all-actions
https://www.congress.gov/crec/2015/07/21/CREC-2015-07-21-pt1-PgH5312-4.pdf