Famous Bigfoot encounters

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  1. Bells Staff Member

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    Then you clearly did not read the whole article you linked. Because he keeps saying that these are spiritual manifestations, that visit the physical world and then retreat back to the spiritual dimension. He goes on about this repeatedly and he viewed the whole mining expedition as a spiritual endeavour. He doesn't see it as an animal or a creature. He literally saw it as a spiritual being crossing over to attack them and then crossing back to the spiritual realm. He even says this when he discusses shooting it dead and its body disappearing completely.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    how about we just leave MR to his rantings... maybe he will get bored and leave if nobody engages him...?
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    None of that has anything to do with the creatures he experienced that night. Whatever he later concluded about their nature, they were physical and the attack was real. He could think they are interdimensional beings for all we know. Many people do. But the event at the cabin that night happened exactly as he said it did, as it did to his other miner partners. Beck's account stands.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Here's a diary entry by Northwest pioneer missionary Elkanah Walker dated 1840. It confirms dramatic contemporary accounts of Bigfoot by local native tribes:

    "Bear with me if I trouble you with a little of their superstitions. They believe in a race of giants, which inhabit a certain mountain off to the west of us. This mountain is covered with perpetual snow. They (the creatures) inhabit the snow peaks. They hunt and do all their work at night. They are men stealers.

    They come to the people's lodges at night when the people are asleep and take them and put them under their skins and to their place of abode without even waking. Their track is a foot and a half long. They steal salmon from Indian nets and eat then raw as the bears do. If the people are awake, they always know when they are coming very near by their strong smell that is most intolerable. It is not uncommon for them to come in the night and give three whistles and then the stones will begin to hit their houses." (Drury 1976, pp. 122-123)

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  8. Bells Staff Member

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    Huh?

    The account he gave is that what you are classifying as bigfoot, he determined they were spiritual beasts, that he had felt existed because he heard their constant hum, and then they manifested themselves from out of the "lower realm" of existence. This is literally what he claimed in the account you provided in the OP.

    You are trying to turn his statement into something else altogether which is very misleading and dishonest. You clearly did not read his whole account. The whole mining trip with the others was a spiritual thing, where he claims he and they saw Indian spiritual guides who showed them where to blast for their mine and then refused to simply hand over the gold they apparently knew was there and made them dig for it (they didn't find any gold at all) and how those spirits were from the higher realms and what you are calling bigfoot, were spirits from the lower and lesser realms, so they were ugly, hairy and smelly.

    Now, either bigfoot is not real and is a spiritual manifestation from another dimension, or he is full of BS. Which do you think it is?

    You do not know what happened in that cabin that night, because Beck has written a whole book about how they were manifestations from the lower spiritual realm and thus, not real. He even said that after he shot one, that it simply disappeared completely. No trace that it was even there and to him, this was further proof that these were spiritual creatures. Lesser spirits he called them.

    By all accounts, and certainly by those who scoured the woods after it happened, they were full of it and frankly, they probably found special mushrooms that they obviously spent a long time licking to come out with the crap Beck came out with in that book.

    I fail to see how you can claim his account stands when you are now trying to change his account to fit a completely different narrative. What? You don't think the hairy apemen he thought attacked their cabin were from the lower spiritual realm as he was convinced they were? If so, why did you use that article at all as proof of bigfoot when you don't even believe exactly what he said he experienced and thought it was?
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    All I'm saying is his account stands as a completely physical event. What he concluded later about the nature of the apemen is irrelevant. If they materialize from another plane, then so what? They still had real effects on the miners and left footprints and threw real rocks. It's all there in Frank's account. In no sense is he claiming it was some spiritual experience that didn't really happen.
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    So it doesn't matter "what" the apeman was, nor where it came from... it only mattered that someone/something was throwing rocks, and so it can only have been bigfoot.

    That kind of "reasoning" is so flawed... ... I don't even know where to begin with it.
     
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  11. Bells Staff Member

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    Footprints which disappeared and there was no trace of when the authorities went through and searched for them. The rocks, they concluded would have been from the kids camping above the hill.

    Beck holds, throughout the his account, that they were spirits which only manifested themselves and then went right back to the spiritual realm again. You need to read his account completely instead of looking at only the 'attack' and saying it is bigfoot. He didn't think these things were real or physical. He repeatedly declares they are spirits. He says that they were all aware that they were dealing with supernatural beings (ie not physical or real beings). And then he goes on to describe how they were spirits and from where. He clearly says that they were not natural beings with physical bodies and he describes how and why they are not in different ways.

    The The Abominable Snowmen are from a lower plane.When the condition and vibration is at a certain frequency, they can easily, for a time, appear in a very solid body. They are not animal spirits, but also lack the intelligence of a human consciousness When reading of evolution we have read many times conjecture about the missing link between man and the Anthropoid Ape. The Snowmen are a missing link in consciousness, neither animal nor human. They are very close to out dimension, and yet are a part of one lower. Could they be the missing link man has been so long searching for?

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    Most theories picture the Snowmen as material beings hiding in caves, and scampering over the mountains. The law of probability would be that eventually one would be found if their bodies were of physical construction only. If one claims only the physical laws to explain their existence, then we can use a material logic to prove or disprove the premise. If they are material life definite material evidence would surely be found.

    What material evidence we do have, in my opinion which I believe firmly to be true, only shows material extrances into this plane, followed by the supernatural exits back into their own realm.

    I and my companions have shot them, but could find no trace of them. If they were material life like we know it to be on this globe, one would die naturally or accidentally and the remains be found.​


    What he is describing is not bigfoot as you believe in bigfoot. He is describing spirits. He even says if they were real, as you might expect them to be real, then they would have been found by now. He contends that these aren't real, but are spirits.

    Had you read the whole of what you linked, you'd have realised that.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    So he is denying the whole account of what happened that night in the cabin? Is that what you're saying? I'll need a direct quote on that.
     
  13. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    No, you're the one denying it.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I'm the one who posted his account of what happened in Ape Canyon. Where did I ever deny it?

    " According to a series of 1924 articles in The Oregonian, multiple reporters and other eyewitnesses saw damage to the cabin, and enormous footprints at the scene, and it's difficult to imagine how stone throwing teenagers might have caused these details."===http://www.unknownexplorers.com/bigfoot.php
     
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  15. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

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    Everyone believes every word, just like Gospel. How could you ever dolt it?

    Just wow.

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  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right..how could I ever "dolt" it? lol!
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Perhaps you should comprehend what is written..

    I said he declared they were not real physical things, but were spirits that had manifested and attacked them. And he clearly says, the reason there is no proof of them is because they are spirits, that is why he declares there are no bodies or evidence of them because they just disappear back to their spiritual realm.

    I have provided numerous quoted from what you provided in your OP in my previous posts. Perhaps you should go back and read them again and re-read the article you linked for your OP.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..at no point does he say they weren't physically real. He simply says they materialize and thus become solid beings. He even says that's why poop from them can be found. I don't necessarily agree with his beliefs here, but he's entitled to them and they don't discount what he says he experienced in that cabin. His accounts stands.
     
  19. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    His account stands, but only if it can be reinterpreted to mean what YOU want it to mean, right?
     
  20. Bells Staff Member

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    And yet:

    Most theories picture the Snowmen as material beings hiding in caves, and scampering over the mountains. The law of probability would be that eventually one would be found if their bodies were of physical construction only. If one claims only the physical laws to explain their existence, then we can use a material logic to prove or disprove the premise. If they are material life definite material evidence would surely be found.

    What material evidence we do have, in my opinion which I believe firmly to be true, only shows material extrances into this plane, followed by the supernatural exits back into their own realm.

    I and my companions have shot them, but could find no trace of them. If they were material life like we know it to be on this globe, one would die naturally or accidentally and the remains be found.


    And then in the question and answers section at the bottom, he says that not everyone will be able to see them because not everyone can see things that are from the spiritual realm. Compares seeing them to seeing UFO's:

    Question: "Do you think people will see them in great numbers like they see Flying Saucers? And do you wish to say anything about Flying Saucers?"

    Answer: "I doubt very much that they will be seen by tens of thousands of people like flying saucers. This is not a book on flying saucers, but I will say that the nature of flying saucers is very high and lofty, and their purpose is important to us, the purpose of the Abominable Snowmen does not fit the aims of the life purpose in the degree as what the world calls U.F.O:'s."


    And then he once again reaffirms his belief that they are not physically real or physical beings but are manifestations:

    Question: "How would you feel if time proves you wrong, and shows the Hairy Apes to be physical beings?"

    Answer: "To me that appears to firmly be an impossibility. But just say it did happen: it is no sin to be wrong just as it does not make a person a saint to be right. I am confident that they are mainfested beings, and I offer that as fact."


    I don't see how you can say his accounts stand when you don't believe in what he saw and experienced in the first place. This isn't just his beliefs, but what he experienced while in that cabin. So how can you say his account stands, when you disagree with the main crux of his account, which is that bigfoot is a spirit and not physically real or a physical being? That makes no sense. He doesn't even think everyone would be able to see bigfoot, because they are not physical beings and because not everyone is able to see spirits and you can only see them if you have a level of clairvoyant ability, which he claims he and his friends have, which was why he says they were able to see all the Indian spirit guides who told them where to blast for gold for their mine. This isn't his beliefs, but based directly on his account and what he experienced. So I don't understand how you can say his account stands, even if you do not agree with what he experienced. As I said, that makes no sense.
     
  21. Bells Staff Member

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    I think the same can be said for Beck. He even recounts how he had seen a bigfoot spirit once before, along with his brother. His brother said it was a bear, but he says no, it's a spirit manifested into an apeman:

    Question: "How many apemen, by count, can you remember seeing?"

    Answer: "I saw six I could definitely count by number. I realize now that I had seen one years ago when I was'a young man working in a logging camp near Kelso, Washington. My brother and I were quartered in a tent. One night I heard a rustling outside, and I heard something pushing its way under our tent. A tall hairy figure stood before us watching us. It scared my brother, who afterward said it was a large bear. But I have seen enough bears to know that it was no bear. There was nothing else he knew to call it. Usually the mind will provide, in such a case, what seems like the only logical answer, even though what is seen does not fit the explanation at all. They think they must find an answer in the manner they are accustomed to finding it or the mind is not at rest. Unfamiliar things tend to disturb people. To learn of higher things of life there must be a shaking of concepts, Man can then rise to a higher consciousness which is really his natural state. He will begin to test things in the test tube of wisdom. Wisdom is the best medicine for man-kind."


    Me thinks Beck found some colourful mushrooms on the forest floor and spent too much time licking them.

     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, at no time does he say they aren't materially real beings. When they enter into into this reality, they are physical and real. He says they have material extrance into this plane. When they vanish they are gone. Hence his account of them around the cabin that night doing physical things. He is not saying the cabin experience never happened. He is not saying they never left footprints. He is not saying they didn't throw rocks, or body slam the cabin, or try to grab the ax, or try to push the door open. And he is not saying he didn't see one on the ridge shooting at it three times and watching it fall. All of that happened. Hence his account stands. You're simply lying that he is saying they weren't real beings. Ofcourse they were real. He and his fellow miners all saw them and experienced their real actions that night. He even returned to the site with newspaper reporters who saw the damage to the cabin and the footprints. That's real beings Bells and you know it. When you have nothing left to argue, just spare us the longwinded misrepresentations and word games and admit it. It would save us all so much time and effort here.
     
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    So where does he say the experience in that cabin never happened? Why did he tell that story if he didn't think they were real beings and really attacked the cabin that night? How did they leave real footprints if they weren't real? How did they pick up real rocks if they weren't real. How could they try to push a real cabin over if they weren't real? How could they be seen at all by real eyes if they weren't real? You should disconnect your lips from Bell's giant bullshit funnel and think about what your swallowing here.
     
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