Why are the police shooting so many people with so little reason?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Seattle, Apr 14, 2015.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    The latest case that I find interesting is the shooting case in Cleveland that went to trial and the verdict of not guilty was just announced.

    A car drove by the police station and the car backfired. The cops thought someone was shooting at them so a 20 mile chase ensued. Over 170 shots were fired by the cops. The occupants had no guns.

    60 police cars were involved and when the car was surrounded (couldn't move) the cops stopped shooting except for one guy who hopped on the hood of the victim's car and shot 15 more times point blank into the windshield.

    70 cops were disciplined, the victim's family was paid $3 million by the city and yet there was no criminal wrongdoing? The judge found that the cop on trial was protecting his life and the life of the other officers...all 60 officers who couldn't tell a car backfiring from gun shots.

    At this point, the farce of having a trial for a cop should just stop. The way the law is written in most jurisdictions a cop (realistically speaking) can't be convicted so why have any trials like this?

    For instance, in my state of Washington, the law applicable to convicting a cop for such a shooting sets such a high bar for conviction that it can't happen.

    A cop can't be convicted if there was "no malice and was done in good faith". So, as long as a cop doesn't admit to shooting in anger and says that he was afraid for his life...he can't be convicted.

    Hopefully some of these laws will be changed so that cops have a reason not to shoot.

    In this particular case, the victim's (there were two people in the car) had some mental illness issues which may have lead to them not stopping (or maybe they didn't stop because cops were shooting at them).

    Not only did all this cops (supposedly) believe that the car backfiring was gunshots but they killed everyone in the car even though even with a real shooting they couldn't know that the others in the car were guilty of anything. It could have been a car full of kids.
     
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  3. river

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    We live in a society based on fear ; hence police over react .

    Dam shame
     
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  5. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    No, just fire them all. We'd be safer with the Mafia in charge. They try not to kill innocent people because that reduces the money they can extort from us.
     
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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Or send them for more training/education than 5 weeks.
     
  8. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The police violence appears worse that even, because it is being placed under a media and political micro-scope and therefore appears larger than it is. If same media sources, did a daily side-by-side chart of citizen on citizen violence, like black on black, versus unnecessary police violence, the police violence would be a trickle. This optical trick is why liberals need to learn to fact check and think on their feet. The Presidents home town of Chicago has more violence than entire states, combined, have with police violence.

    What is happening in the media is setting up a distraction, since most of the black on black violence occurs in Democratic controlled cities and states. Nine of the top ten crime cities are democrat controlled. Most of the perception and demonstrations against police violence against citizens, also occurs in Democratic controlled cities and states. In contrast, notice how much self control was used in South Carolina, with the church shooting. This state has republican influence. The blacks and whites are brothers and sisters in the party of Lincoln.

    If you look at the bigger picture, the democrats talk the talk as protector and defender, but the results show they don't walk the walk, since the statistics show the most inequality in democratic controlled cities and states. The democratic party was the party of slavery and segregation. The optical trick is to place the blame on the police, to distract from the bigger picture, and then try to make a connection between police authority and republicans, even if democratic controlled cities with democratic party cops. They assume their base is not well informed and will not fact check, but will blindly chant slogans. So far they are right; their base does not have a clue.
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    It isn't necessarily the number of incidents of police violence that makes us angry and/or afraid. It is the circumstances. The following are quotes I took from the Washington Post over the past few years:
    • The entire German police force, with a population equal to 1/4 of the U.S. population, fired only 85 bullets in 2011.
    • In about half of fatal police shootings studied, police were responding to people seeking help with domestic disturbances and other complex social situations: a homeless person behaving erratically, a boyfriend threatening violence, a son trying to kill himself.
    • A 2012 investigation by the Portland (Maine) Press-Herald estimated that nationally 50% of fatal police shootings involve mental-health crises.
    • 20% of people who died while fleeing from police were unarmed. Police regard a suspect running away from them as such a provocative act that they call the injuries inflected on suspects a “foot tax.”
    (No, I don't have a log of police-related notes. These are from one section in a 500-page electronic notebook that I've been keeping up for more than ten years.)
     
  10. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    At first glance:
    I had thought that you used the wrong word(Dam)
    but then
    I noticed your name
    "river"

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  11. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Take away the cars from the cops they should patrol the streets by foot and be assigned for a specific area , so the cops would be part of the community instead be the hired swat teem
    to assault the community.
     
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